HotFile - new rules - who like it?

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  1. ButcherBoy

    ButcherBoy Peon

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    #41
    I'd like to make some explanations:

    Your acccount type will be calculated each day and depending of this your downloads will be paid regarding the Earnings table (see our Affiliate section)

    We change account status daily, but we consider one week back period when we calculate your conversion ratio.

    Your old downloads (before 24.06) will be counted by old prices/conditions.

    Your status depends mainly on your conversion ratio - in other words, how many people that downloaded your files have become premium users.

    There is progress bar in your account "My Stats" - you can check what is your position and how you performs - better or worse.

    Number of postings and downloads are not indicator for your account status.
    You may have lot of posts, downloads, but your users who download your links don't become premium! We pay for your downloads only from premium users who paid for their accounts.So we implemented new account types.
    If your conversion ratio is good-you will be gold or platinum and for these accounts we INCREASED prices.

    Other indicators are considered as well, such as:

    * - how much files you upload
    * - number of downloads
    * - server resources load and etc


    The most important indicator, however, is your conversion ratio!

    With this we want to benefit all uploaders which works good, got many downloads of their files, but conversion also!

    Possible low rank could affect uploaders whose traffic does not bring the proper premium users to the site. But at the same time, according to statistics, there are substantial overall increase in earnings from partners with higher-converted traffic for the past days.

    About payments - we pay each Monday and so far never delayed.
    Next Monday payments will be too, so don't need to speculate about this!

    If you just upload, yes you may have downloads, but if we don't receive premium conversion from your users, how we supposed to pay you? Where to get money from?

    We check all competitors and most of them will do the same (even RapidShare, not mentioned others).

    How to convince people to become premium?
    From one side-it depends on our site,download page -> this will be improved very soon
    From other side-I notice people who just don't make dump links, but make some good description of their file (on their blog,site or forum), their downloaders become premium more often.

    We believe this will benefit in long term all good uploaders!

    About RapidShare remote upload - for all users with rank Silver+ there is no limit!
    Even more - we think to offer for all Silver+ users to use remote upload, even if they don't have their premium RS account!

    Right now RS changed their authentication system and we rewrite our code, hope soon all will be ready.

    We are working now also for upload/download tool and other stuff, I'm sure you will be glad to use.

    Regards,
     
    ButcherBoy, Jun 26, 2009 IP
  2. dduck

    dduck Peon

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    #42
    I agree with last 2 of you.
    Yesterday I was gold (as I am today)...but...
    I when new day started I was around 50% between sylver and premium level. Few hours later when I waked up, I had 66%. I was like "Wow, something positive is happening".
    So what I did? I killed myself sharing (without sleeping to much), so that I could finaly see that platinum lever right next to my nickname.
    Maybe it's a weak result for bigger players here, but:
    Previous day when I had 66% and sum of 242 unique downloads (193 being form files bigger then 100 MB in size).
    But next day I had 326 unique downloads (326 being from files bigger then 100 MB in size).

    One day I earned $2.65, and next one over $4.
    What is my reward for that? I am now at 25%. And very close to silver level.
    That sucks. I would really like to know how they count our levels.
    They keep telling us that 'conversion ratio' is most important. Well here it is how things are going, when you think about it logically:

    So, again, I share more. Lot more ppl downloaded my files. I earned more (compared to my previouse days, it was the record).
    How they thanked me for that? Oh, well, I am now on 25% (but yesterday I earned less, while in the same time was closer to platinum level)

    (mods, I know about CAPS rule, I did it with reason 'cause I know hotfile stuff visiting this board, but they always "somehow" overlook what we are saying here. If it can't stay that way, please lower my caps)
     
    dduck, Jun 26, 2009 IP
  3. dduck

    dduck Peon

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    #43
    ButcherBoy, thanks for responding here.
    I quted part of your previous message (that is made while I was typing mine, previouse message).

    Ok, what I quoted make some sense (if we put ourself in your shoes), but:

    We cannot bring you more premium users whle we share few files, because if I am some basic user (as I am) and want to download some file from you, I would do that without buying a premium account. But if I see lot of good stuff and I want those, I would said "damn it, I cannot wait forever to download all this, lets buy a premium account"
    So, you can't say that download count is less important. It is telling you that we "force" ppl to download our files. But we cannot beat them to buy a premium.
    2 days ago I made a record how much I earned. I was also at 66% closer to platinum. Yesterday I made much bigger jump in download counts and my final earnings, and you rewarded me with 25% closer to silver level.
    To be honest, your progress bar SUCKS. Those are just procents. If it shows how many users became premium users while downloading our files, put that info in stats. So we could know (1,2, 3) users bought premium from our files. Also, give as at last how many % that new premium user is valuable for you.
    We still don't know how you calculate whole thing. We only know "what is most important" and that's it.
    Again, you cannot have new users if we share only few files. The best indicator that we are going in right direction is how many downloads are made. So we can only hope that one of those users will buy a premium account with you. There is no other way. So we share, lot of ppl downlaod, and that means they LIKE WHAT WE SHARE. That's the end of our part in whole thing.
    It's depends of persons mind if it wants to buy premium. We can't do nothing about it except keep sharing good stuff. And if more ppl downloads, that sure doesn't mean they don't like it. You have to fix something in your 'calculation' and give us more information in our stats.

    Maybe you don't like my criticism, but its for benefits of both sides. (your system is not perfect, make it better)
     
    dduck, Jun 26, 2009 IP
  4. ButcherBoy

    ButcherBoy Peon

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    #44
    We track all your downloads and all users who become premium from your links.
    Together with other information we monitor - we make your rank and showed it to you.
    This rank is your performance - if your % is increased - this mean your conversion ratio is increased. That's the information you need. If we show you let's say-200 downloads, 3 premiums... would it be easier for you to guess what you did and what you should do to increase conversion? No. Our user rank is more complex indicator, and that's the reason we put it in all accounts.
     
    ButcherBoy, Jun 26, 2009 IP
  5. dduck

    dduck Peon

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    #45
    Is it possible to let us have both 'progress bar' and 'new premium users' in our stats?
    If the progress bar is more complex, then I guess, puting also a 'premium users' info is not too much to ask because it's just one part of 'progress bar' formula.
    It's just a number, why you are so 'afraid' about showing us that number? :) (progress bar have to stay, it's just need one more info to goes with it)
     
    dduck, Jun 26, 2009 IP
  6. ghel

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    #46
    I want to target the gold one.I know they made the changes for improvements.
     
    ghel, Jun 26, 2009 IP
  7. Funkster

    Funkster Peon

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    #47
    Right now the progress bar says: 100% copper.. when wil I transfer to bronze then?
     
    Funkster, Jun 26, 2009 IP
  8. ButcherBoy

    ButcherBoy Peon

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    #48
    Some TIPS for better ranking:

    Essentially to reach a higher status your links should sell more premium accounts. Here are few tips that may help you to be promoted to a higher type of uploader and eventually to reach the platinum status:
    * Don't post links to different file hosting sites for the same file. This kind of mirrors allows users to simultaneously download from different sites and they have less incentive to buy premium.
    * Don't switch every day to different file hosting service - that way people are less willing to buy a premium account, as they will need multiple premium accounts from different services to get all the content and that is more expensive.
    * Do not upload files that you will not promote. Used server space is also accounted when your rank is considered.
    * Put more effort into bringing more visitors to download your files, rather than to upload more files. If you are uploading 10Gb of files everyday just to have every file downloaded few times you are going to stick with Copper.
    * Don't post on resources that have popups, try to install troyans and similar stuff. This way users do not have much trust and are less willing to pay.
     
    ButcherBoy, Jun 26, 2009 IP
  9. maxdugan

    maxdugan Peon

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    #49
    @ButcherBoy, we need a referral link so that we can directly sell hotfile premium membership to our downloaders. You don't indicate how many have bought premium from our links and this should be indicated clearly. 5 people bought premium from my referral links today + more than 1000 downloads and im still on copper status, how do we know that the purchase of premium was accredited to us? Your indicator is not accurate at all, only you know about this conversion ratio and you can always manipulate this to however you want it.

    One thing is very obvious, the more you share, the less you earn, i dont reallly see the logic here. You should be rewarding uploaders who work very hard to upload to your server. Why should we upload files that nobody wants to download? That will just be a waste of time, we are with hotfile because of what you offered before. Please take this matter into serious consideration. Thank you very much.
     
    maxdugan, Jun 26, 2009 IP
  10. george101

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    #50
    am still at 100% silver, y am i not getting upgraded to gold?
     
    george101, Jun 26, 2009 IP
  11. dduck

    dduck Peon

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    #51
    george101, try to contact support team by clicking on 'contact' while you are at your account. I am really interested to hear why is that happening.
     
    dduck, Jun 26, 2009 IP
  12. george101

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    #52
    lol i dont think i will ever get a reply from their support
     
    george101, Jun 26, 2009 IP
  13. ButcherBoy

    ButcherBoy Peon

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    #53
    Sometimes no need too much thinking, just try! :)
    We try to answer all emails, no matter how much they are...

     
    ButcherBoy, Jun 26, 2009 IP
  14. viatorek

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    #54
    lol no you dont hehe trust me
    i never get replay (since 2 months)
    but problem is always solved in few minutes
    so i dont complain
     
    viatorek, Jun 26, 2009 IP
  15. ButcherBoy

    ButcherBoy Peon

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    #55
    The more you share - the more downloads you have and more premium users, all together this is how you are supposed to work!
    To pay you just to upload?! Why should we pay you then?
    I can easily make all RS or other hosts mirror to all our servers?

    Why should we upload files that nobody wants to download?
    I wonder also, why? You may think your files are interested and most probably they are, but we must convince downloaders and to convert them to premium users. I post some tips - I didn't invent them, just make observation of platinum users-how the work, what they do and post these tips to all our uploaders.

    Regards,
     
    ButcherBoy, Jun 26, 2009 IP
  16. kiradesu

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    #56
    Well in that case could we get at least formula for each of rank? or information about ratio?
     
    kiradesu, Jun 26, 2009 IP
  17. viatorek

    viatorek Active Member

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    #57
    Butcherboy my guru,
    i want to know answer to that question,really
     
    viatorek, Jun 26, 2009 IP
  18. nikimyjaan

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    #58
    man hotfiles.com is going really bad, can anyone tell me how many download is required of a single file to be silver?
     
    nikimyjaan, Jun 26, 2009 IP
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    AznRico Well-Known Member

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    #59
    I have around 50+ downloads per file and I am platinum. If you are at 100% and do not see it change, its okay, it only changes ONCE per day (1am EST) for me
     
    AznRico, Jun 26, 2009 IP
  20. dduck

    dduck Peon

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    #60
    WOW, what a jump I made (or better say, they made me to jump there) !!!
    I was gold yesterday, but my progress bar was showing that I kept going to Silver level. So I was ready for Silver ("nothing I can do about it, HF system sucks", I was thinking).
    DAMN, they surprised me (in a bad way, offcourse). BRONZE

    I just broke another record (positive). I made downloads like never before. Eearned more then ever before. PPL are downloading my files. I wasn't sharing so much new files (only 29 of them). What I got in return?
    BRONZE
    Thanks HotFile ! :(

    It would be good if they make even lower level then COPPER, cause tomorow...I am sure I would jump over COPPER end straight to that (even) lower level. Lets make "ZERO $ for our good uploaders". I am waiting for that, hotfile team.

    Lets make 0 $ level, so that I could know that is time for me to stop wasting my time whole day, sharing my uploads on lot boards, and making ppl download them. Cause the only thing it matters is 'conversion ratio' which does not make any sense at all.

    Again, your system sucks. I cannot and I wont BEG ppl for you to buy premium account. Nobody should do that. I guess making your links being visited and files being downloaded from your servers is not enough, cause everyday I made more $ you kept lowering my level. :(
     
    dduck, Jun 26, 2009 IP