Christian Murdered for Drinking Tea from a Muslim Cup

remember when i asked you if you have studied Quraan and you said No?
well, obviously you just pick words without understanding why it was said...
you judt copy and paste without understanding or reading each verse and connect the meaning with the previous one.

even that Quraan is in Arabic, and i'm Arab, many Arab people don't understand it very well, and that's why they go study it.

i'd advice you strongly to go and discuss these in real life with some experts in Islam, you don't mind wasting your time picking the words you want, so dedicate few minutes and go to somone who can clarify all your doubts about these verses.

 

I did not say no...

I understand them more than you think young man.

Oh you mean completely re-interpreting them in a manor that completely changes the intent and meaning in an effort to make it sound like it does not mean what it means?

Confusing isn't it. We both know full well that in or out of context, the meaning is no different.

Spades still a spade bud.

Well at least you admit that you do not understand what it says.

I'm not picking this stuff at random. Had you actually read the book, you'd realize that. You've apparently been brainwashed into believing the alternate reinterpretations that your "experts" have been feeding you.

I'd advise you to think for yourself for once.

 

Amen,
thank you very much.

 

You call that a hadith.
Ok let me clarify you in Islam hadith is divided into parts and have some criteria to ensure its 'genuine' or 'truth'.Where you get the hadith?
About homosexsual of muslim I dont know because I never knew it but let make it logical..do a few of you claimed homosexsual muslim depicts the image of Islam?
Or to make it more logical..in a society one of the member murdered a person.Can we say the society is murder society?Doesnt care anywhere or whatever there should have bad and good.In my religion homosexual in inobligatory or a sin or a bad thing.(very bad)
or if you cant still figure it out..I will try to give a simpler examples.
a boy is a homosexual do his dad too?do it will give strong probability that the dad is homosexual?

 

KainKatarn, I'm hoping I understand your post appropriately, as I can tell english is not your first language. I'm not trying to say Islam is the religion of Homosexuality anymore than I am trying to say it is the religion of murderers or terrorists, even though your religion has more than its fair share of all of the above, terrorists in particular. By citing some Hadiths that show your "Prophet" was likely a homosexual, and the fact that you have a large population of closeted homosexual men, I'm pointing out an area of change where people of your faith could be made more peaceful on the whole.

 

No Mia, you have absoutly no idea of the verses you're just (copy and paste)
the reason i asked you too either go study Quraan, or get clarification from some experts is because for a reguler Muslim like me it'd be very VERY hard to go and check each verse for you, well, i'll try my best for this time only, if you have anything to say go say it to experts, or stop copy & paste without referring to experts, here we go:

read the previous verse, you'll see that god was telling Muslims when going in war to kill every one anf fight until they win, i beleive that's what every leader would say to his army, i don't think Bosch or Israel order their soldiers to go easy on their enemy.

yeah and that's true, Islam is the last religion that God sent to human, we beleive so, we are not forcing you to beleive this, but yes we beleive we are the only people going to heaven.

yeah even we (Muslims) should not enter Mosque without Wodoo (washing our selves) we even take off our shoes when entering Mosques.
and until now, non Muslims are not allowed to enter Mecca -the city- it's a holy place for us, this holy place is restricted but for Muslims

yeah that's true, (if there's a Muslim country) applying Muslim lows, non Muslims should pay tax same like Muslims paying Zakaat (Zakaat is an Islamic term for something like tax)
non-Muslims living in Muslim country don't need to participate in case of war, Muslim country MUST defend all non-Muslims.

yeah, we beleive that Ezra is NOT the sun of god, also Jesus is NOT god, or even his son, they're both messengers, and YES god is mad why people claimed that humans are his son.


notice that i quoted only Sora # 9

that's because this was the most one full of anger and mercy in the whole holy book (which you usually prefer picking up some verses) read it and you'll find amazing facts about it:






Surat Al-Tawba is the last fully revealed to Prophet Muhammad, blessings and peace be upon him before his death after 22 years of the message. This soorah draw the features of the Muslim community during the descent, where the community was ready to get out with Islam message from within the Arabian Peninsula throughout the world, where Muhammed blessings and peace be upon him,sends Osama Bin Zaid at the head of Muslims army to fight the Roman army, which after the death of the Prophet came conquests.
this sora came after the latest invasion of the Prophet peace be upon him, by the conquest of Tabuk, the number of Muslims was 30'000 - while in Badr, the number of Muslims was only 313 fighters - and ended with victory for Muhammed and his army.

*Soret Al-Tawba is the only one in the holy book that don't begin with "In the name of God the Merciful," while all the Wall started in the Koran as "the name of God the Merciful, the Compassionate."




it was named as Repentance before the final farewell blessings of Allah on Muhammed peace be upon him, and before the end of the Holy Quran. This Sura is to keep the door of repentance open to all people before the farewell .. (The better for them in order to repent)



*the word "Repentance" was repeated 17 times. More than any other Sora in Koraan!

*This Sora exposed all Hypocrite tricks, and the way they think was revealed to the believers, there is no point in covering it up.

*Ends the life of the Prophet peace be upon him to open the door of repentance

*you start reading it until you reach verse 24, after that it starts talking to beleivers, Verse is not talking about the meaning of Jihad, the war only, but urges the support of religion, and religion to be God is the most precious in our lives.

*This sora have more than 14 names including (Angry, Reagents, Flagrant)

* each pargraph and idea ends with merceful meaning.


well, i'm done for today, this post took a good 1 and half hour of my time, hope you've reached this line only!

 

What makes you think that? Unfortunately the religeon of muslims have a fair amount of extremists as do most religons, but as you have seen the Muslim religons extremists seem to take it to the next levels as you can see from previous attacks / terrorism. I'm not saying all muslims are extremists i'm just saying that there is an amount of them who put a bad image on the religon.

 

You're wasting your time. We all know what the literal meaning is.

BTW, just WTF is a "regular Muslim"??? Are there "irregular Muslims"?

To further clarify how you are making a fool of yourself, let me provide an example.

Let's say we're both reading the same service manual for a car. Lets say the procedure for changing the tire on this particular vehicle reads like this:

I'm only gonna take steps 1-4 so as not to draw this out too long, but you'll get the point.

Here's How:

1. Park the vehicle on a hard, level surface. If you can't, the surface should be as level as possible.

ME: Do as directions clearly state
YOU: Drive vehicle onto bumpy, hill, uneven surface. Make sure surface is as unlevel as possible.

2. Place the vehicle in the PARK position if it has an automatic transmission or in REVERSE if it is a manual transmission.

ME: Do as directions clearly state
YOU: Place vehicle in neutral if it has an automatic transmission or out of gear if it is a manual transmission.

3. Apply the parking brake and remove the key from the ignition.

ME: Do as directions clearly states
YOU: DO NOT use parking brake, leave key in ignition. Maybe even leave the engine running too!

4. Place a wheel chock, or brick, diagonally opposite the wheel to be changed. If you are changing the LF tire you should chock the RR tire. Placing wheel chocks at both wheels would be an added safety step.

ME: Do as directions clearly states
YOU: Do not use wheel chocks or anything to secure the vehicle. Chocks are for dirty Jews and worthless Christians.... Regular Muslims know that Chocks are bad. To use a Chock is to insult Allha. If you see any Regular Muslim using a Chock he should be killed. Same goes for those dirty Jews and worthless Christians.

Sometimes it's best to see things for what they are, rather than what you want them to be. In time, you'll figure this out.

 

reguler Muslim is an expression i just invented, to deliver the idea that i know maybe 10000 times in Islam better than you or any non muslim, and less than anyone of those who dedicated their life to learn more about Islam, who know the deepest in Islam.

in a convesation between 2 people, when someone start using harsh words it means that he/she is out of ideas poving his points (like using: WTF....fool of your self...etc)

note that you didn't quote any of my explanation of the verses i just clarified, that's because it's convencing and you can't twist these verses anymore.

it's poinless from now on wasting my time reading many referrences to explain verses to you Mia,you're asking very deep questions, my last advice remains the same, take it from a human being not a Muslim, if you need to know more about Physics, ask people who studied Physics and don't ask people like me.

Good day!

 

Yeah, figured that.. You do a lot of "inventing" don't you... Thanks for making my point!

 

Even more fun to be had with you. watch me ask you a simple question written in plain English which you will inevitably try to get out of answering.

Why did he kill the man?

 

i already answered this many times....
because he's idiot.

now instead of asking me another question answer mine

 

Because his religion calls for it to be done. PERIOD... It its most literal form, "idiot" or not (though I'd agree you'd have to be an idiot to practice what is preached in that religion, again, in its most literal form) his religions beliefs condoned the behavior and action.

 

Because he thought Islam either required or allowed it. He may be an idiot, but why do so many people interpret Islam as allowing them to commit acts of violence on non-Muslims? If it were one isolated case, you could argue he was just an idiot, but when it happens over and over at some point people start to ask, why is it that so many Muslims do think their religion allows this behavior.

 

Because VERBATIM, WORD FOR WORD... That's what Islam teaches.. In its most literal form. All one need do is take a gander at the Quaran to recognize that fact.

 

I dont think thats exactly it, there will have been hundreds of non-muslims going past the tea shop. He did not murder them, it was the fact this particular non-muslim has broken the rules, and entered a muslim shop, and drunk from a muslim cup.

Although the rule is probably driven by what is said in the Qu'ran, it doesn't mean he killed the man because of what his religion told him to do, but because he entered the shop (and broke the rules).

If you look at it from a different perspective, he was shot for trespassing. Religion or no religion, he was doing what he was told not to do (even if he didnt see the sign).

 

Ya think? That's the point...

Duh... Like that's the same thing man...

I think you are really missing the point here. These "rules" you keep referring to? That's the "RELIGION"! Without it, I don't see how he would have been shot.

 

If I killed someone who came into my shop because they weren't buddhist, and my sign clearly read "no non-buddhists" would you blame it on my religion? Or the fact I was an extremist maniac?

 

i'll tell you what happens...
you seem like looking for answers and i beleive your mind is open to be convinced, so i'll be honest with you...

the problem is...

when someone murder someone else, press would say (X have commited a crime)
when this (X) is Muslim, they would say in the press (a Muslim commited a crime)

you may laugh, but seriously, track the news and you'll notice that whenever the killer is Muslim they mention his religion, they never say ( a christian attacked....) or ( a Jewish did this...).

press, public media have a bad image of Islam, beleiving that Osama Bin Ladin is a clear example of Muslims, while he's being fought by all Muslims, because of his acts,speechs, the whole world think Islam is bad, and Islam have washed it's hands off Bin Laden and ANYONE would say killing is allowed in Islam.

even that public media have bad image of Islam, but - when someone like you comes here wondering and trying to understand what's the deal with it- and you didn't get enough info, you'd go sometime later and ask some of your Muslim friends (if not visiting an Info center in your state) to collect more info.

and when you reach there, and get all the clarification about anything and everything about Islam, most likely you'll convert to it and that's how Islam is spreading...

this bad image turned to serve Islam very well, even it's bad but it's forcing people like you with human mind and sense of logic to wonder what the hell is happening and why Islam is being mentioned....why this guy killed someone for Islam and (abboodeh) said he's crazy even that he's Muslim like him, shouldn't (abboodeh) be justifying his act?
shouldn't abboodeh and every Muslim feel ashamed?

i'd suggest to visit this site from time to time, you might find some useful things
www.islamonline.net

 

Can you try comparing apples to apples first? Then ask me again.