Christian Murdered for Drinking Tea from a Muslim Cup

I appologize if I seem focused on Homosexuals. Tolerance of homosexuality is a western cultural value. Apparently stoning them is a value of the "polite" folks of the Islamic faith. And they say they dont take advice from the koran that advocates violence seriously.....

Regarding the Hadith, have a look at this video...

http://gayswithoutborders.wordpress...et-muhammad-ibn-abdullah-was-also-homosexual/

 

Yeah, I've read about huminity. It's a social networking software. Didn't know Mo was into all that too...

 

nothing there ....all normal acts ...

actually, these two Hadith are an example of how the prophet was loved, and the way he was kidding with his friends and people around him, and YES it's Hadith Musnad meaning it's 100% sure and the chain o people telling this Hadith is strong, so this Hadith is correct.

and yet nothing unusal there

ok 2 things in that video:
the first story is telling that Zahir was selling his furniture in the market then the prophet came from his back and hold him and yelled -kidding- (anyone wants to buy this slave) the man turned around mad but when he saw that Muhammed was holding him he felt happy as the prophet is holding him, then the man replied (no one would buy a black guy like me, i worth nothing) then Muhammed replied (you worth so much for god because you're a Muslim)

it's NORMAL for arab to hug and kiss, why you don't get it?

2nd story:
someone was setting with his friends with prophet Muhammed, the prophet pocked him with a stick -kidding- so he turned to the prophet and said that he wants to pock him back, so Muhammed said (sure go ahead) the guy told him (no, you're wearing thick clothes i want to pock you in the flesh) so prophet Muhammed pulled off his shirt and the guy instead of pocking him he kissed his body.

his whole body was holy, a touch of him was enough to heal the sick because he is a prophet

i'll not be posting anymore about this Hadith, all is normal for Arabs, if you don't beleive it come and live in the middle east and you'll see that it's normal for even Christian Arabs to kiss and hug each others if you don't beleive these are normal acts in Arab world it's your problem.

 

Spoken like a true believer...

I love how Islamic believers would have you believe they are compassionate and tolerant on one hand only to elude to their true feelings and beliefs in the most delicate of manors...

Nice.

 

because he was a muslim who murdered a man specifically in the name of his religion, which was Islam. It's a bit like saying "why you take Hitlers stupid action as presenting nazism?".

All we have to go on is the actions of those who follow an ideology and what they do in the name of that ideology, which in this case was one man murdering another for drinking out of the wrong cup.

Look, i'll explain this one more time. read it over and over again until you are able to grasp this simple concept. I have not at any point in this thread said this mans behaviour is indicative of all muslims. what i have said is;
1) islam will be judged by this mans actions by the virtue of the fact that he was a muslim and he murdered someone in the name of islam, and
2) muslims tend to criticise those who highlight the violence perpetrated by muslims instead of the violence it's self, something which you are still doing in spectacularly predictable fashion, even though they claim islam is a peacful religion.

 

he was not fallowing any order in Islam to kill any non-Muslim who drinks tea from his shop
---------> and that's what makes him idiot and proves that he's presenting him self.

that's wrong, he did that murder becoz he's crazy and not because Islam asked him to do so.
and therefore, he's not presenting Islam, and you can't generlize.

that's what happen exactly, when a story of a crazy man is posted and people like you come and wonder (how come Islam is peacul religion) we've to criticise becoz this idiot dosn't represent Islam, but yet people like you will keep talking and talking and talking that this crazy man was choosen by every Muslim alive to represt them!

well, i'm out of this thread as people here are going round and round and it's just a waste of time really:
1. you'll not stop attacking Islam.
2. me & all Muslims will not be effected by your attacks

so it's just a waste of time to be here

execuse me guys

 

he murdered in the name of his religion. He murdered someone specifically because they drank from a cup designated muslim only. If you are unable to admit this obvious fact there is little hope for you to claw back the integrity you lost by continuously proving my points for me in this thread.

Running away with your tail between your legs is probably the best thing you can do now. My advice would be to have done it sooner, but i enjoyed dismantling everything you said and arguing you in to a corner so expertly that every post you made done nothing but confirm what i said.

I hope you learned your lesson, that lesson being; when your views are indefensible and self-refuting, it's best to keep quiet.

 

i'm back and since you are free and have nothing to do in your real life i've decided to stay forever and argue with you in my free time until you run away

for god sake show me where did his religion ordered him to murder anyone who drinks tea from his shop?

 

Im sure members of the KKK have murdered black people in the name of christianity and white supremacy.

No-one judges white people on what the KKK did, so why should we judge Muslims any different?

Yes it is right to use hitler as a symbol of Nazism, because he was a represtentation of Nazism ideology. This muslim murderer is not a representation of Muslim ideology. Thats why its NOT like saying "why you take Hitlers stupid action as presenting nazism?".

Ask a nazi, do you believe Jews are inferior? They will say yes.
Ask a muslim, do you believe all non-muslims should be slaughtered? They will say no.

Muslims of coarse will critisise those who pre-judge them based on the actions of extremists. It happens in all races/religions/nationalities. Back to the KKK point, then why aren't Christians violent? They burnt innocent people who were suspected witches (and black people). And this wasn't extremism, it was a general belief.

 

Under Sharia law in a Muslim country, what does Allah say should be the punishment for a man who decides to leave Islam for another religion?

 

what's the punshment if someone betrayed his country?

 

There is a difference between betraying your country and moving to live in a new country.

Why must Islam treat someone who choses to believe in another religion an enemy?

Is Islam incompatible with other religions?

 

and this is not the only one ! They just happen on daily basis there

 

You just say it without a prove
what a wild assumption.
you always said it is written in hadith but you cant provide the prove.
How pathetic

 

Yeah i'm sure they have. The KKK is down as a "christian terrorist organisation", I'm not going to defend them. In fact, i would openly condemn everything they stand for, something which no muslim has yet to do in this thread. see the difference? I am perfectly able to condemn the actions of someone even though we may incidentally share a common trait. Muslims, on the other hand, seem unable to condemn anything, no matter how barbaric, so long as it is committed by another muslim. Which is evidenced by the contents of this thread.

nazism was German socialism. One could argue nazism was hijacked in an equal way and to the extent that the so called "religion of peace" has been hijacked by murderous thugs intent on dragging us all back to the dark ages.

that's fair enough. The suspicious thing though, as i have pointed out multiple times, is they rarely, if ever, criticise the extremists themselves who commit murder, torture and oppression in the name of thier religion. why is that? Why is their time spent almost entirely criticising those who highlight the violence done in the name of islam and not the violence it's self?

I have asked this question many times now and have yet to receive an answer. All i have received, predictably enough, is criticism for highlighting it.

 

I provided the hadiths above. Abbodeh seems to be of a differing opinion. He would probably need photos of the Prophet taking it up the ass before he would change his opinion, and even then, he would probably dispute the validity of those photos.

By the way, I am not saying authoritatively that Mohammad was a homosexual, but I think it is quite possible. What I am saying as FACT is that the Muslim community is filled with homosexuals. It is indisputable. Every day, some Muslim men go home and whack off to the idea of having anal sex with another man, and many of them act on those fantasies. Given the strong possibility Mohammad was a homosexual, I think Muslim's should embrace their homosexuality and revel in it!

 

There are homosexual undertones in all religion. Hardly any religions exist which doesn't see the female reproduction system as dirty, even buddah is said to have been born out of a slit in his mothers side. Christians, especially the men funnily enough, are always going on about how jesus loves them, feeling him "in them" and in some quarters symbolically eat jesus' flesh and drink his bodily fluids in a ritual which could as easily be described as symbolic oral sex as it could cannibalism. In islam women are practically forbidden to exist, are told to cover up and keep quiet while the men spend hours together groaning with their ass in the air. Judaism has a ritual called Metzitzah in which after circumcision has taken place the mohel sucks the penis in order to draw blood from the wound.

 

Death according to the almighty super book of doom.

Treason - in the very distant past was most often considered a higher crime than murder and punishable by hanging. Most traitors spend time in jail and live out full and productive lives - in civilized countries that is.

I'm not sure where you are going with this. Are you trying to compare a fanatical religious belief with the betrayal of an entire nation's security and sovereignty?

 

Obamanation
yeah just as i expected you do have a problem of understanding that Arabs find it very normal to hug and kiss...
you just don't want to accept this fact, well, again i'm advicing you to visit Middle east and see for your self.

and ahh, if someone says he's Muslim, but he drinks and gamble, this dosn't mean Islam is bad, it means this guy is bad, it's not your job or mine to judge people who say they're Muslims but they do things againest Islam, it's their deal



browntwn
you know what's the proeblem with you guys in here, it's that you just want to argue, if you really asking questions and looking for serious answers you would go in real life to people who've studied Islam in Uni. these people can give much better answers, unlike many users here, but you choose to argue and argue and nothing will change. neither we will leave Islam, or you convert to it.
it's pointless really...
ok
this is the deal with Islam, if you don't like it just don't convert, very simple.
saying your opinion will not change anything.


stOx
you still didn't show me where Islam ask this man to kill non-Muslims who drinks tea from his cup, i'm still waiting for your answer on this.

 

Seeing as how he was a "Christian" its safe to assume he was a "non-believer"... So here you go, several reasons... Oh, and before you ask where it says in "Islam to kill non-Muslims who drink tea from his cup", its not about the tea, or the cup, its the "NON-MUSLIM" part..

Do you even read your own book?

Here you go:

What the Qur’an says about non-believers...

Qur’an 9:123 “murder them and treat them harshly”

Qur’an 3.28 Let not the believers take the unbelievers for friends rather than believers; and whoever does this, he shall have nothing of (the guardianship of) Allah, but you should guard yourselves against them, guarding carefully; and Allah makes you cautious of (retribution from) Himself; and to Allah is the eventual coming.

Qur’an 3:56 “As for those disbelieving infidels, I will punish them with a terrible agony in this world and the next. They have no one to help or save them.”

Qur’an 4.89 They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah’s way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.

Qur’an 5:51 “Muslims, do not make friends with any but your own people.”

Qur’an 5:72 “They are surely infidels who say; ‘God is the Christ, the Messiah, the son of Mary.”

Qur’an 8:12 cp. 8:60 “Instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers”; “smite above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them”

Qur’an 2:191 “...kill the disbelievers wherever we find them”

Qur’an 9.33 He it is Who sent His Apostle with guidance and the religion of truth, that He might cause it to prevail over all religions.

Qur’an 2:193 “And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah”

Qur’an 8:71 And if they intend to act unfaithfully towards you, so indeed they acted unfaithfully towards Allah before, but He GAVE YOU MASTERY OVER THEM

Qur’an 8:55 Surely the vilest of animals in Allah’s sight are those who disbelieve.

Qur’an 22:19-22 “fight and slay the Pagans, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem” “for them (the unbelievers) garments of fire shall be cut and there shall be poured over their heads boiling water whereby whatever is in their bowels and skin shall be dissolved and they will be punished with hooked iron rods”

Qur’an 48:13 Those who “believe not in Allah and His Messenger, He has prepared, for those who reject Allah, a Blazing Fire!”

Qur’an 3:54 “‘Lord, we believe in Your revelations (the Torah and Gospels) and follow this Apostle (Jesus). Enroll us among the witnesses.’ But the Christians contrived a plot and Allah did the same; but Allah’s plot was the best.”

Qur’an 8:12 “Your Lord inspired the angels with the message: ‘I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.”

Qur’an 8:58 “If you apprehend treachery from any group on the part of a people (with whom you have a treaty), retaliate by breaking off (relations) with them. The infidels should not think they can bypass (Islamic law or the punishment of Allah). Surely they cannot escape.”

Qur’an 8:7 “Allah wished to confirm the truth by His words: ‘Wipe the infidels (non-Muslims) out to the last.’”

Qur’an 8:39 “So, fight them till all opposition ends and the only religion is Islam.”

Qur’an 8:59 “The infidels should not think that they can get away from us. Prepare against them whatever arms and weaponry you can muster so that you may terrorize them. They are your enemy and Allah’s enemy.”

Qur’an 8:60 “Prepare against them (non-Muslims) whatever arms and cavalry you can muster that you may strike terror in the enemies of Allah (non-Muslims), and others besides them not known to you. Whatever you spend in Allah’s Cause will be repaid in full, and no wrong will be done to you.”

Qur’an 8:7 “Allah wished to confirm the truth by His words: ‘Wipe the infidels (non-Muslims) out to the last.’”

Qur’an 4:101 “The unbelievers (non-Muslims) are your inveterate foe.”

Qur’an 8:60 “Prepare against them (non-Muslims) whatever arms and cavalry you can muster that you may strike terror in the enemies of Allah (non-Muslims), and others besides them not known to you. Whatever you spend in Allah’s Cause will be repaid in full, and no wrong will be done to you.”

Qur’an 9.28 O you who believe! the idolaters are nothing but unclean, so they shall not approach the Sacred Mosque (Mecca) after this year; and if you fear poverty then Allah will enrich you out of His grace if He please; surely Allah is Knowing Wise.

Qur’an 9.29 Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

Qur’an 9.30 And the Jews say: Uzair (Ezra) is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!

Qur’an 47:4 “Strike off the heads of the disbelievers”; and after making a “wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives.”