There is much talk about scientific evidence that there is not enough water for the flood to be possible. However, there is something that most people are missing about what it also says in the Bible. I am referring to the power of God. If God can make the immaculate conception happen with Mary, make water burst from a rock, part the red sea, resurrect the dead, heal the sick, make the blind see, make the deaf hear, make the dumb speak, cast out demons from possessed humans, allow the 120 disciples to speak in tongues, resurrect Jesus to heaven, make the ground swallow up the Korah congregation, completely destroy Sodom & Gomorrah with sulphur and fire, create angels, etc.. then why could he not make it flood for 40 days and 40 nights? The power of the Almighty one we can only underestimate at best, due to the fact that we are all imperfect humans. If you have a day or two spare in the coming weekends, there are conventions happening all around the globe that will be delivering the same message. The theme of the convention is "Deliverance is at hand". This convention will speak volumes about God, his purposes, the prophecies, the history, what the Bible really teaches. The worst thing you can all do is to ignore this convention and say "I am too busy" or "I don't believe in that stuff" or stuff like that. I ask you this question. "What do you lose by spending a small amount of time and going to your nearest convention''? What will your answers be? Dignity? Face? Time? Money? Does it really matter whether the Bible is correct in your eyes or not? What if by the remotest chance that the Bible is correct? Would you not want to know what is going to happen? If something is going to happen, will it be good? Bad? All it takes is to get off your bum's and go take a look and sit and listen for a small amount of time out of your lives. There is no obligation to join, chant, sing, praise or whatever else you think happens at these conventions. It's just a once in a lifetime opportunity to "find out" what the Bible really teaches. Why pay attention to what I say or anyone else for that matter in this regard? I didn't listen for over thirty years. But I can tell you that when I did, I learned a lot, and I mean a lot more than I have learned than the rest of my life. Again, what have you to lose? Don't take it from me. See for yourself.
Yes YOYO you are correct in saying it was not an explosion ( at least not in the way we think about ) I used that term as it is in laymans language & easier for everyone to grasp should they not have a scientific understanding on the matter ), If you want me to be techincal about this subject I can, ask any question about the BB & i'll answer you in scientific terms if you wish, not that I see any point in it myself. Thats true, then again science does not say hoe the BB was started or what was before, yet it's a reality.
You used the words in a misleading way to try make the big bang sound less plausible. Lets not kid ourselves. There's a difference, science has research, observations and copious evidence for their theory of big bang, which can be explained all the way up to the exact second of happening. Then you have this Bible theory, full of outlandish, scientifically impossible claims that can ONLY be explained by a book, without any supporting evidence, nothing scientists can test or recreate.... leaving you with nothing other than crazy theories (wator vapor sheets, flood fossils) that no respectable scientist would even consider backing. Not really a tough choice for me
Not a hope. But your missing some good shit. Just cause you want to believe it dosnt make it so. Space/Time was created and is in a constant state of change, we just cant see it because we are inside of it.
No he's not. He's a fuckwit! What about that silly argument with the small boy - "I'm an atheist, God doesn't exist" "Really? You know everything? You know half of everything?" "No" "Well let's say that God exists in the other half of what you know..." Er, well do you *know* that God does exist? Crap argument. What about this rubbish about the Geologic Column doesn't exist anywhere in the world? PS. Dinosaurs don't start off at 100 tonnes... PPS. The Greeks came up with a lot of mathematical proof prior to the Bible. I really can't believe people are still hooked on this creationist rubbish...
I say Where will the blame lie if the perfect (God created) design is corrupted and why, if the design is perfect, were humans integrated into the design to not only question its authenticity but to displace the harmony as it has been so perfectly designed. Would this be a design flaw and if it was why was it not amended in its early stages? Oh yes one other thing, why has God not amended the Bible to keep up with modern thinking? We now know what Dinosaurs are, we can measure in the billions and we don't need silly metaphors to understand things beyond our reasoning. Why? Because its a crock of shit!
How about this. Every animal on this planet has an instinctive connection with god/nature and finds the balance. we were created with a much greater sense of seperation, so we could know ourselves individually, and to do that we needed to seperate from god/nature. therefore as a species we are stupid and seperate. As for creation, if god wants to create everything, wouldnt he not just create every possible reality. including this one. Just a thought.
Mia and Whimpering Warrior, please stop giving each other head long enough to listen to the well-reasoned arguments of real scientists and not these ID frauds.
Joel, I never commented to Mia, so why such an insolent insult towards me (or to anyone for that fact)? Some may think that by insulting others they have the upper hand. This does not work with me but feel free to keep trying. You will only end up on ignore just like Darksat and MattUK. Then, the conversation becomes a one way one & who's going to listen to that? Not me! Nevertheless, I do invite people to comment on what the Bible has to offer. I could address pretty much any point that Bible makes. There is an amount of faith involved here as well. Not blind faith like a lot of religious org's try to push, but a real faith. A faith that is backed up by a large amount of study and research, well documented publications and not forgetting there are over 6.5 milion of us doing this study and research "every day"! You would think that if we look into the Bible every day and all of the supporting publications we would find flaws in it. If so, why are our numbers growing every day? These are questions you will never find an answer to unless you take off the blinkers and have a look for yourselves. I did three years ago and have never looked back.
Faith backed up by research and study... Isn't that an oxymoron? ;] Faith is believing in something for which you have no evidence. If you had evidence, it wouldn't be faith anymore. Your numbers are growing every day because you try to force your beliefs on everyone around you and scare the simple-minded into believing they will spend an eternity in hell if they don't do what you say. The Bible is jammed with flaws. If you would like me to give you all the links to the sites that point these out again, I would be happy to.
You obviously have me mistaken. Firstly, I do not force my belief on anyone and secondly, there is no hell (according to the Bible). Would you like to go for three out of three? I have faith because of the evidence. Why can't this be? I have ssen the links to the sites that you are talking about, and 100% of those sites have got it wrong about us. I should know, I am in the organization. Again, I can only ask people if they would like to find out what the Bible really teaches, I never forces people to do this. What would forcing people into believing achieve anyway? God would not accept anyone that does not believe in him from their hearts.
Well, lets call me stupid but.. Some christian told me some time ago, why unbelivers don't get into heaven, it's because they don't want to. Sounds sick, because that means, if i want to get in heaven but don't belive i should be able to =) Notice: I have no sources to back this up, it's what iv'e heard and i just wanted to share this with you in this thread.
Just to clarify - whimpering warrior is not a Christian but a Jehovah witness. They have come up with a different variation of the bible and use there watchtower as their main source of study. They don't believe in hell. I do as most Christians do, since it is talked about in the Bible. Some areas of belief may be the same, but others don't match at all. Hebrews 11 gives a definition of faith. And I personally have had my faith increase due to wonders and miracles in my life - ie. my carpel tunnel of 3 years was healed back 9 years ago!
Nice posts WW and Debunked! Did that work? Let me be more specific. Did it help clean up the nonsense posts? I've not felt compelled to use the ignore that often. I think I still have tesla on ignore (but that is about it) I can say it was one of the best things I ever did. The only problem with the ignore is that you do see their posts quoted from time to time. A little ignore is better than none I suppose!
Awesome! When all the little factions can get together, come up with 1 story and stick to it, let me know, it will be much easier to "debunk" and prove scientifically impossible that way