Christian Murdered for Drinking Tea from a Muslim Cup

No, the Quran does that just fine all by itself. Of course we know not every Muslim follows that book of hate to the letter, no more than any Christian follows the "Bible" to he letter.

 

Are you going to keep asking me the same facile question in the deperate hope that my answer will change in to something you are equipped to argue against? I'll repost my previous responce, try reading it this time.

What is does prove, yet again, is that when a story of a muslim acting violently is highlighted the muslims, the ones on this forum at least, including you, try to sweep it under the carpet, trivialise it and criticise those who highlight it instead of openly opposing the violence it's self, While of course claiming it to be a religion of peace.

We have had 3 pages in this thread now and we have not even come close to a muslim stating that killing someone for drinking out of a cup designated "muslim only" is absolutely disgusting. Of course, the cynics among us would say it suggests that they actually agree with the murdering of infidels, i however have given you the benefit of the doubt, 3 pages of benefit of the doubt, and all you have done is unilaterally confirm my suspicions, that you are incapable of criticising anything so long as it is committed by a muslim, no matter how barbaric, bloodthirsty needlessly violent and instead try to sweep it under the carpet, trivialise it and question the motives of the person who raised the issue.

Now answer my question, This will be the third time i have asked you it.

If it is a religion of peace, why are muslims not collectively and unequivocally as outraged as the rest of us are when acts of violence are carried out in the name of their religion of peace?

I love how easy it is to argue the religious into a corner using their own dishonesty and inability to answer simple questions put directly to them.

 

did you study that book in university to judge it? because people spend years studying Quraan.

EDIT:
please show me where in Quraan that verse that proves your point ?

 

if this story includes 1.3 Billion Muslims then my answer would be YES, Islam is not peacful at all.

judging by the act of 1 idiot don't give anyone the right to generlize.

i for one (i'm a Muslim) and i never read any verse in my holy book encourging me to kill somebody, nor our prophet said anything about killing anybody.

if some idiot out there killing people for no reason, that dosn't concern me at all, and that dosn't reflect Islam...

 

I'm sure Mia will educate you on your own religion and post some quran quotes calling for the murder of all sorts of people.

As for the rest of your post, He didn't kill him "for no reason", did he. He killed him because he was a non-muslim drinking out of a cup designated "muslim only". He killed him specifically because he wasn't a member of the "religion of peace". Now, as a muslim, why are you not outraged that someone would commit murder over such a trivial thing specifically in the name of your so called "peaceful" religion?

 

then he's not peacful man, not Islam is not peacful (don't generlize) this man should be punished for doing so...

i'm not outraged because simply, i said it (he's idiot) and he's not presenting Islam in anyway

 

Theology was not my main area of study. Having read the Quran I'm not sure it qualifies. Anyway, are you saying that one must have "studied" the Quran to understand its literal meaning? I realize that there are people out there that spend years re-interpreting reality in an effort to try to conceal the real contextual intent of the Quran.

I really do not have enough time to do that. I can however quote a few verses:

In reference to the Non-Believers - Infidels, Jews, Pagans, Christians to name a few...

Qur’an 9:123 “murder them and treat them harshly”
Qur’an 3.28 Let not the believers take the unbelievers for friends rather than believers; and whoever does this, he shall have nothing of (the guardianship of) Allah, but you should guard yourselves against them, guarding carefully; and Allah makes you cautious of (retribution from) Himself; and to Allah is the eventual coming.
NOTE: By ‘guarding carefully’, a Muslim should deceive the infidel. Acting as a friend is fine as long as it is to benefit the Muslim and protect Islam.

Qur’an 3:56 “As for those disbelieving infidels, I will punish them with a terrible agony in this world and the next. They have no one to help or save them.”

Qur’an 4.89 They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah’s way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.

Qur’an 5:51 “Muslims, do not make friends with any but your own people.”

Qur’an 5:72 “They are surely infidels who say; ‘God is the Christ, the Messiah, the son of Mary.”

Qur’an 8:12 cp. 8:60 “Instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers”; “smite above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them”

Qur’an 2:191 “...kill the disbelievers wherever we find them”

Qur’an 9.33 He it is Who sent His Apostle with guidance and the religion of truth, that He might cause it to prevail over all religions.

Qur’an 2:193 “And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah”

Qur’an 8:71 And if they intend to act unfaithfully towards you, so indeed they acted unfaithfully towards Allah before, but He GAVE YOU MASTERY OVER THEM

Qur’an 8:55 Surely the vilest of animals in Allah’s sight are those who disbelieve.

Qur’an 22:19-22 “fight and slay the Pagans, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem” “for them (the unbelievers) garments of fire shall be cut and there shall be poured over their heads boiling water whereby whatever is in their bowels and skin shall be dissolved and they will be punished with hooked iron rods”

Qur’an 48:13 Those who “believe not in Allah and His Messenger, He has prepared, for those who reject Allah, a Blazing Fire!”

Qur’an 3:54 “‘Lord, we believe in Your revelations (the Torah and Gospels) and follow this Apostle (Jesus). Enroll us among the witnesses.’ But the Christians contrived a plot and Allah did the same; but Allah’s plot was the best.”

Qur’an 8:12 “Your Lord inspired the angels with the message: ‘I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.”

Qur’an 8:58 “If you apprehend treachery from any group on the part of a people (with whom you have a treaty), retaliate by breaking off (relations) with them. The infidels should not think they can bypass (Islamic law or the punishment of Allah). Surely they cannot escape.”

Qur’an 8:7 “Allah wished to confirm the truth by His words: ‘Wipe the infidels (non-Muslims) out to the last.’”

Qur’an 8:39 “So, fight them till all opposition ends and the only religion is Islam.”

Qur’an 8:59 “The infidels should not think that they can get away from us. Prepare against them whatever arms and weaponry you can muster so that you may terrorize them. They are your enemy and Allah’s enemy.”

Qur’an 8:60 “Prepare against them (non-Muslims) whatever arms and cavalry you can muster that you may strike terror in the enemies of Allah (non-Muslims), and others besides them not known to you. Whatever you spend in Allah’s Cause will be repaid in full, and no wrong will be done to you.”

Qur’an 8:7 “Allah wished to confirm the truth by His words: ‘Wipe the infidels (non-Muslims) out to the last.’”

Qur’an 4:101 “The unbelievers (non-Muslims) are your inveterate foe.”

Qur’an 8:60 “Prepare against them (non-Muslims) whatever arms and cavalry you can muster that you may strike terror in the enemies of Allah (non-Muslims), and others besides them not known to you. Whatever you spend in Allah’s Cause will be repaid in full, and no wrong will be done to you.”

Qur’an 9.28 O you who believe! the idolaters are nothing but unclean, so they shall not approach the Sacred Mosque (Mecca) after this year; and if you fear poverty then Allah will enrich you out of His grace if He please; surely Allah is Knowing Wise.
NOTE: In 631 A.D. (less than one year before his death, Muhammad had a revelation. No infidels allowed into Mecca (9:28). This also included the idolators, i.e., the orginal rock worshippers of the Kabaa who had not submitted to Islam. They were history, what few were left by this time.

Qur’an 9.29 Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

Qur’an 9.30 And the Jews say: Uzair (Ezra) is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!

Qur’an 47:4 “Strike off the heads of the disbelievers”; and after making a “wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives.”

 

I never claimed islam isn't peaceful in this thread (though i do believe it isn't). What i am asking is if it is peaceful, why do muslims generally never speak out against the violence done in the name of it, such as the murder of a man for drinking out of the wrong cup, and spend their time criticising those who highlight the stories, questioning their motives and try to sweep the stories under the carpet?

But he does represent Islam. What do we have to judge it on besides the actions of it's followers and what they do in the name of it?

 

I am a muslim and I didn't criticise the OP nor did I ask him about his motives.

I will repeat my 2 posts for you

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The first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem.

 

I bet you have never confronted a Muslim in real life, telling them that they are a "problem".

 

to be continued..

 

why you take this stupid man action as presenting Islam?
if he was our prophet then YES he's presenting Islam...


if one American man killed one of my family can i say all Americans are bad?

it's you who want to fallow and see each and every Muslim's mistake and say that he's presenting Islam...

 

Thank you Polite teen you saved me so much time on replying!

Mia
that's why i asked you if you have studied ?Islam to know if you understand the verses like Polite teen explained

 

How do you reconcile the fact that the Prophet Mohammad was a homosexual, yet modern day muslims speak out against homosexuality, even though they have many homosexuals amongst them?

If he truly represents Islam, is Islam a religion of homosexuality? While some like to deny this basic truth, nobody denies that Mohammad proselytized by means of the sword. As you say, he DOES speak for Islam so does that mean Islam is violent?

I don't know about you, but the idea of the prophet Mohammad chasing young boys down the street with a sword, telling them they need to convert to Islam and play a game of hide the salami, or die, makes me a little bit uncomfortable. Mohammed is probably the guy who invented Filching, the sick bastard.

 

Eeew, that's disgusting!

 

To all my muslim brothers/sisters here.

Remember that:

Everyone sees people according to his own behaviour.

So, care not about what the homosexual are saying about prophet Mohammad, the master of huminity, prayer and peace be upon him and his family.

The homosexual who post against the prophet is a self degradation thing.

At least we know now how homosexual behave, they are low people that based their contact with others on sex.

I appreciate now that God order us to stone them.

So, don't be in contact with such people, it is not good for you. let the stones ''the cure'' touch them to finish their disease in the pure comunity.

All the praises and thanks be to Allah for telling us the best cure for them.
The punishment of the Holy is Painful and fruitful as well.

 

Polite Teen, you clearly didnt read my post, or the corresponding links. It is written in Hadith. The man was a homosexual, and my many accounts, had sex with young underage boys. I think modern day Muslim extremists have truly lost their way and should embrace their homosexual desires. You will be a happier person for it, and might avoid the desire to stone people for quoting what is written in your own religious books.

 

Prophet Muhammed was Arab, and i am Arab.
in Arab culture when i travel to other area and come back home, it's very normal to kiss my male friends on their cheecks.

it's also very normal to kiss my friend to congratulate him for graduating for example.

it's also very normal to hug my male friends too, unlike other cultural, you may see it not normal but you've to accept that in Arab culture it's very normal.

 

I dont know whats wrong with you,
you kinda like the homosexsual topic
PLease give me the hadith if there was