wrmineo condemned for ShoutWire Article

@ klb

You said: "Declaring it an error on the ad firm's part is a convenient way of passing the blame for the initial decision to try ads from the ad firm in question to begin with."

You have a point. I must pass the buck on this one though, since advertizing on the site is outside my sphere of influence. The best I can do is bring issues up with the top level admins. And no, it wouldn't have flown under the radar. As I said, I was in the process of informing top-level admins when I came across wrmineo's submission.

Sorry, I don't mean to paint everyone here with the same brush. I'd never heard of DigitalPoint before, but then again i'm not a webmaster or anything. Just a guy who likes to write (and run his mouth ).

You Said: "I thought Shoutwire held promise as a good alternative to Digg's corrupt system. Those ads and the behavior of Shoutwire apologists in this thread have proven to me that it really isn't a good alternative."

The ads are gone. They won't be back.

As for ShoutWire apologists, how would you feel if someone accused you of promoting child pornography? You'd be pretty pissed, i'd imagine. An attack on ShoutWire is an attack on me, personally. I will defend ShoutWire to the last. Hey, we screwed up, i'll admit that. But we DO NOT condone child pornography, we DO NOT delete articles that we don't agree with, and we DO NOT pursue a hidden agenda. In the coming weeks, I will go to great lengths to prove this to our naysayers.


@ rsharrer



I googled myself to see how I fare against the likes of you guys. Not well, i'm afraid.

 

I don't look at low level admis as the responsible party, I look at the site owners and those responsible for choosing advertising partners as the responsible parties. They are the one's who have to be held accountable.

I was refering to the general public not being aware of the issue.

I joined here recently myself, but I participate in and am a member of many forums and this is one of the biggest I know about. In some ways, it isn't about people at these forums corrupting things like Digg or Shoutwire with vote rigging as much as the sure force of numbers on this forum. If an issue catches steam here, it can have tremendous impacts of other sites like Shoutwire without the need of organized vote swapping. This is what Digg doesn't understand.

This is really a mistaken attitude. An attack on ShoutWire like this isn't an attack on its members who do not have control of such things. It is an attack on those who have real control on the site and exercised extremely poor judgment. It really was a very bad ad and it did insinuate or at least was designed to attract those interested in what wrmineo suggested it promoted.

If ShoutWire members like yourself are going to be upset or angry at anyone, it should be at ShoutWire's owners and allowed such a disgraceful thing to happen in the first place. Given that the owners of ShoutWire also own a similarly named porn site, I suspect they have much lower standards than you or I. They will feel the lore of the money the dark side offers much more strongly than the rest of us. The fact that they partnered with a company that provides those types of ads is proof of this. They compromised ShoutWire and its integrity for better money.

Hopefully your biggest enemy isn't those who own ShoutWire.

 

None of you here have any idea the shit we put up with on a daily basis.

Here is your chance to find out. I'm looking for new editors. You want your work to be seen by millions? You want to stop bieng just a blogger? Think you have the skill?

Send me an email.

I'll forget everything said here and give everyone a fair shake.

That is, if anyone here is ready to step up to another level.

 

xxoozero,

OK So you are saying that even wrmineo can apply? i have no idea that he would even do so, but I think it unlikely that he would have any chance.

Also the statement that we have no idea what you have to put up with, is a bold statement, many here have several businesses both on and offline, and are very successful. And several people here don't even have a blog, and there are quite a few people here that have "skills".

Another thing I was wondering, how are you able to assign Admin positions?

Most of the responses from Shoutwire "Staff" have been inflammatory and set the stage for name smearing campaigns like the one posted on the front page of shoutwire.

I respect your loyalty to ShoutWire, I just hope for your sake it is not misplaced. I have seen nothing from the owners of shoutwire explaining or apologizing for there actions.

I have seen wrmineo's post deleted and it replaced with a smear of his name and his site. It turned into a personal war ShoutWire attacking wrmineo both on there site, his blog, in several forums. Threats against him personally, and then it was an attack on this forum, where does it end, we have done nothing to ShoutWire or it's mods personally, We only post our opinion on the facts (I call them facts because of the supporting evidence).

Tell you what i would like to see, How bout a thank you to wrmineo and digitalpoint on the homepage of ShoutWire for pointing out the problem how about a personal apology to wrmineo on the homepage of ShoutWire for what has been said about him and quit trying to run him into the ground over this.

He is a good Man!, He has a good point, that a lot of people here agree with and some that don't but either way you look at it;

1) His post about this on your site was deleted, when it could have just been responded to and that would have been the best form of damage control IMO.
2) A smear campaign was started against him by shoutwire members and admins.
3) There was porn links up on the ShoutWire site
4) Those ads did have a picture of two young girls
5) ShoutWire Admins and members came to this forum and continued on the path of denying the above was true.

And you know what, I have cracked on the two of you personally, but when you come here ranting and cussing about everything and taking personal jabs at people you should expect that kind of response. With that said I did take some personal jabs at you both and I should not have so for that I apologize to you both.

But the fact still remains that this happened and there has been nothing done to resolve it just a pissing match with an ever growing amount of people joining in.

I know I am nobody, but I still think that my suggestions on how to resolve this are just and fair. i can not speak for wrmineo, and I can not speak for other people in this forum or any other but I do think it is the right thing to do.

just my two cents.

 

@ rsharrer

ho boy...

You said: "I have seen wrmineo's post deleted and it replaced with a smear of his name and his site. It turned into a personal war ShoutWire attacking wrmineo both on there site, his blog, in several forums. Threats against him personally, and then it was an attack on this forum, where does it end, we have done nothing to ShoutWire or it's mods personally, We only post our opinion on the facts (I call them facts because of the supporting evidence)."

The guy posted a submission on SW that, right off the bat, broke two rules:

- linking to a personal blog operated by the submitter
- posting libellous remarks about ShoutWire

Even then, I requested that the post not be deleted. I would address it in the comments. I was overruled because the post associated us with child porn. It was suggested that a full editorial be written to address the issue, and I volunteered to author it.

What happened after that was out of my hands. The users gave their opinions, and as I suspected, they didn't side with wrmineo because they just didn't think it was that big a deal.

Something WAS done to ShoutWire. It started with a conspiracy to abuse the shout system for self-promotion, and it ended with a revenge-based post accusing us of purveying child porn.

This whole thing could have been avoided if wrmineo had gone thorugh proper channels. He says that his email was bounced, and i'm looking into that personally. But we have a forum for support. He could have posted the issue there. He also could have emailed a staff member.

BTW, this HAS been resolved. The offending ads have been pulled, never to return. Nobody has denied that the ads were there. What is being denied is that the ads displayed child pornography. They did not. The girls looked young, but that's the porn industry for you.

 

http://www.shoutwire.com/comments/21757/Staff_Of_ShoutWire_Apologizes_To_Blogger

EDIT
had to 'shout' this quote :

I would hardly refer to DP as 'obscure', especially if in comparrison to the likes of ShoutWire.

 

Be advised that the above quoted editorial is the opinion of the author and does not necessarily reflect the opinion of ShoutWire or its affiliates.

It's pretty funny though...

 

Wow...

If you think that's funny I have an eBook of knock-knock jokes that will blow your socks off!

 

Question, when did wrmineo ask for an apoligy?

 

Oh come on. If you were a neutral 3rd party, you would have found it funny.

Oh, and wrmineo, I just read your latest blog entry.

You are correct. ShoutWire and SpankWire are indeed owned by the same entity. Hell the names are almost identical. You need not have done a whois look-up to figure that out.

You go further by implying that the porn ads on ShoutWire were placed there deliberately. I'm afraid that you are once again spreading lies.

I felt bad for you when I saw xxoozero's latest ed, but not anymore. You didn't learn your lesson the first time, it seems. You can't just slander a website like that. If you do, be prepared to face the consequences.

 

I didn't know "step up to another level" meant copycating someone's idea. Or did Shoutwire come before Digg? LMAO. What a bunch of unoriginal wankers.

 

Funny that only Shoutwire teens can print editorials, but is a user tries to put something up it just get deleted.

Cracking on wrmineo was one thing but I don't know if I would start a fight with the members of digital point there are many and that would just make for a bad at school for you guys.

Look I have some stuff to do around I will go to shoutwire for recess later and fight with you guys.

talk at you soon

 

Writing this off as a revenge-based attack is really shallow and while I have seen different groups of individuals try to create Digg rings, I haven't seen that much effort to do the same on these forums. I'm sorry, but you guys are just giving Shoutwire too much credit. Getting to page one on Shoutwire is no where near as valuable as Digg and neither provide a long term benefit. A major conspiracy just isn't worth the effort. See the following Alexa graphs:
http://www.alexa.com/data/details/t...&compare_sites=digg.com&y=r&url=Shoutwire.com
http://www.alexa.com/data/details/t...&y=t&q=&size=large&range=6m&url=Shoutwire.com

He had no obligation to go through "proper" channels. Rather those in control of ShoutWire had an obligation to make sure these things couldn't happen in the first place.

If those girls were legal age, then I'm getting really old. When I looked at the ad I thought the girls were maybe 14 but surely not older than 16.

Ya they need to see the following Alexa links:

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/t...forums.digitalpoint.com&y=r&url=Shoutwire.com
http://www.alexa.com/data/details/t...&y=t&q=&size=large&range=6m&url=Shoutwire.com
http://www.alexa.com/data/details/t...&y=p&q=&size=large&range=6m&url=Shoutwire.com

If DP is obscure ShoutWire is completely irrelevant and not at all worthy of any efforts or conspiracies to spam it.

 

Seriously, what did you expect would happen? You demand that we issue an apology for somebody slandering US?! I KNEW something like this would happen.

I came here trying to squash this bs, but it's just out of control now. Comments in the recently posted ed indicate that our readers could care less about this whole issue.

Let me finish by saying that this is getting way too childish for my liking. A huge "thank you" to all of the participants here at DigitalPoint who participated in this discussion, especially KLB and rsharrer.

And to wrmineo:

Sorry if you were offended by the ads. There will not be a repeat incident. Let's end this right now. I will do my best on the SW side to put this issue to bed once and for all; hopefully you choose to do the same.

This is getting ridiculous and I will not be a part of it any longer.

 

Dude,

I did not demand anything, I did not write the article, and your boy is out of control xxoozero, I was with you trying to bring all this to an end, I said here is a way to stop it and your boy went all waco and wrote some shit cracking on this forum and wrmineo.

So place the blame where it needs to be.

all in all I think you seem to be a stand up guy but that Kid needs to grow up.

 

No. People who have never heard of Shoutwire (me) are now not bothering with it because it seems juvenile and has some seriously childish admins.

 

Please Bulshoy, you know why they could give a damn less.

The general public are not webmasters who:

1) understand what goes on behind the scenes of a website
2) understand advertisment
3) understand administration
4) understand professionalism
5) understand accountablility.

It's people like us who get upset because we understand these things and when a reputable site like SW goes out and not only does something totally off the wall but then has admins who name call, and swear, it just doesn't look really good.

Skinny

 

Dp has tools where any one time using the wordtracker tool you can easily do 200 impressions yourself, thats why the alexa is so high since they put alot of weight on impressions.

 

Oh please... These tools are not going to sway DPs stats that much given their extremely high stats. Alexa has DP and Digg neck in neck on all stats including unique visitors and those stats are many fold higher than ShoutWire's stats including uniques that those tools would have no impact on. Why do you think I included uniques, not just pageviews and overall ranking. Comparing ShoutWire to DP is like comparing a garden hose to a 2 1/2" fire hose.

 

http://www.freshdames.com/jamie_spears/index.html

Jaime is only fifteen, and those are pics of her scantily clad bieng offered for download by *gasp* guess who?

wrmineo or whatever purposely put those pics on his site. This wasn't just an advertisers mistake.

Is that the word "sexy" in bold I see close to the pic? Nice placement....

Now I have proven that this guy does exactly what he accuses SW of doing, yet he does it on purpose. I don't expect this to change any minds here. I'm just proving my point.

If anyone pushes kiddie porn, its wrmineo, not SW.