No, if you want to use the logic that the big bang couldn't be possible because of "something from nothing" , that same logic applies to the idea of a "God"... it makes no difference to me what "creationists" are bound by. They're bound by shoddy science that no respectable scientists would ever consider backing As far as the origin, it's just something that science has yet to full understand and explain. That doesn't mean it isn't coming shortly.
You are easily confused. If you come from a point of view that science knows everything and science knows that something cannot come from nothing. The paradox of a big bang (everything from nothing) is a fault at the heart of the concept. Creationists, by definition, are not bound by this. Therefore there is no paradox. They do not attempt to explain the creation of the universe by scientific method. Get it? One uses scientific method and must abide by its rules; the other does not. Easily the same could be said for "God" - but if you believe something to be true simply because of "lack of evidence" aren't you no better than the creationists that you stand against? Yeah well. This among other posts proves your an idiot.
Science doesn't know everything, obviously or we wouldn't be here debating about god and creation would we? There's really overwhelming evidence that the big bang took place. It can all be explained up to the exact instant of happening. The only debate left to go on, is what "caused" or "how" that instant happened. The notion that some "thing" many people call God made it all just doesn't make any sense. Why would a being so powerful that it could create the universe, do it? If it's really that powerful what's the reasoning for making any of this? Entertainment?
In essence, you are more willing to accept the "big bang" even though it defies everything we currently know about science, but cannot accept "God" because of the very same reasons, correct? EDIT But the idea that billions of galaxies, stars, planets etc came from nothing is pallatable?
What I fail to understand is how a group of people so hell bent on relying on science to explain creation, could sway so far from reality when trying to explain it.
I'm willing to accept where the evidence points. Evidence for the Bible's creation in 6 days = ZERO Evidence for big bang billions of years ago = EVERYWHERE http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_microwave_background_radiation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubble's_law If there was no big bang, why is space expanding and why are the galaxies continuously spreading apart? It didn't come from nothing. It came from singularity. Once again, give a reason why a being would want to deliberately create us? What's the purpose?
Something had to create the singularity. If nothing cannot create something. What made it? Don't you see the fundamental paradox?
What are the major evidences which support the Big Bang theory? 1. First of all, we are reasonably certain that the universe had a beginning. 2. Second, galaxies appear to be moving away from us at speeds proportional to their distance. This is called "Hubble's Law," named after Edwin Hubble (1889-1953) who discovered this phenomenon in 1929. This observation supports the expansion of the universe and suggests that the universe was once compacted. 3. Third, if the universe was initially very, very hot as the Big Bang suggests, we should be able to find some remnant of this heat. In 1965, Radioastronomers Arno Penzias and Robert Wilson discovered a 2.725 degree Kelvin (-454.765 degree Fahrenheit, -270.425 degree Celsius) Cosmic Microwave Background radiation (CMB) which pervades the observable universe. This is thought to be the remnant which scientists were looking for. Penzias and Wilson shared in the 1978 Nobel Prize for Physics for their discovery. 4. Finally, the abundance of the "light elements" Hydrogen and Helium found in the observable universe are thought to support the Big Bang model of origins.
Like I said, it can't currently be explained. So you just have to decide what has the most evidence, what makes the most sense.
Oh dear where shall I start, I could spend literally days replying to George & Yo-Yo Excellent point, I was just thinking about that myself last night ( and that’s a worry, here I am in Australia in bed thinking about yoyo & George ! ) As Debunked said, has any name / person, any city & any details concerning historical events ever been disproved ? No, in fact at times some archaeologists & various scholars have said such & such a person or town or situation never happened or existed, then archaeological evidence came to light to disprove them & prove the bible correct. just one easy example: you obviously know the name Pontius Pilate, well the bible talks of Jesus being placed before him for trial by the Jewish religious leaders, many claimed for many years that this person ( Pontius Pilate ) never existed, then In 1961 an inscription was found in Caesarea talking about him, also a Jewish writer named Philo wrote about Pilate confirming him as a real person, I could give many more examples but as you will no doubt discount them I’ll not bother. On the other hand if you can Prove to me that anyone, any place any situation never existed or never took place I would be more than happy to make a reply. ( if you do give me an example let it be a sensible one ) The bible has always proved to be 100[/B]% historically correct. Yes & No, Yes God can forsee the future IF he wishes to do so, many examples in the bible show that at times he does indeed look into the future, an easy example is by prophecy, which speaks about events yet to happen. But NO, in that most of the time God chooses not to know what will happen, for example why create man with free will if you already know what that person will do. So the simple answer is God can forsee the future when he chooses to do so. Isa. 46:9, 10: “I am the Divine One and there is no other God, nor anyone like me; the One telling from the beginning the finale, and from long ago the things that have not been done; the One saying, ‘My own counsel will stand, and everything that is my delight I shall do.’†( God makes known his purpose, & foreordains certain matters in connection with its accomplishment ) If God foreordained and foreknew Adam’s sin and all that would result from this, it would mean that by creating Adam, God deliberately set in motion all the wickedness committed in human history. But the Bible clearly says: “You are not a God taking delight in wickedness.†(Ps. 5:4) “Anyone loving violence His soul certainly hates.†(Ps. 11:5) “God is love.†...... “He is a lover of righteousness and justice.†and so on.... A second factor to be considered is the free moral agency of God’s intelligent creatures ( including yoyo ) The Scriptures show that God extends to such creatures the privilege and responsibility of free choice, of exercising free moral agency.(Ge 2:16, 17; 3:11-19; Ro 14:10-12; Heb 4:13) They are thus not mere robots. Man could not truly have been created in “God’s image†if he were not a free moral agent. (Ge 1:26, 27 Logically, there should be no conflict between God’s foreknowledge (as well as his foreordaining) and the free moral agency of his intelligent creatures. Exactly, such a simple logical fact but disregarded by so many, many just ignore that point or shrug there shoulders & say “well I dunno, something started it but It was not Godâ€. ( hopefully such people will shake the sand out of their heads when they take it out of the sand ) If it currently can not be explained what evidence do you look at YoYo ? science ? clearly not, as like you said they are unable to answer that question, BUT the bible does, "In the beginning God created........." How so ? "By the abundance of dynamic energy.." And how does science say the BB started? ( E=Mc2 ) by great energy, thus science & the bible agree on this point. It makes sense to acknowledge that God ( a higher being ) created the BB, looking at the amazing complexities in creation & the precision & order in the universe reflects intelligent design, it does not reflect a haphazard explosion, but that’s what you are saying, you are saying that the BB just happened all of a sudden from nothing & this tremendous amazingly powerful explosion brought about the finely tuned mathematical precision that we see all around us in everything from a Galaxy down to an atom. Which is more logical to believe:An explosion creates order of the highest degree from nothing, or creation & the BB reflect I.D ? I could go on but I think I have made my point.
Czech, What Bible version are you quoting from? It seems familiar to me. Also, you are in Australia? Me too! I am in NSW. You?
Czech, I'm really enjoying your posts and how you really take time to present information and address points. Very well done!