Obama 'created by Jews,' museum killing suspect wrote

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by browntwn, Jun 11, 2009.

  1. #1
    Obama 'created by Jews,' museum killing suspect wrote

    WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The 88-year-old white supremacist charged with killing a guard at the Holocaust Memorial Museum left a note proclaiming President Obama a tool of "Jew owners," according to court records released Thursday.

    James von Brunn remained in critical condition in a Washington hospital after being shot by other security guards at the museum Wednesday.

    A notebook found in his car after the shooting declared, "You want my weapons -- this is how you'll get them," according to investigators.

    "The Holocaust is a lie. Obama was created by Jews. Obama does what Jew owners tell him to do. Jews captured America's money. Jews control the mass media. The 1st Amendment is abrogated --henceforth," von Brunn wrote, according to an FBI agent's affidavit.

    Previous online postings attributed to James von Brunn promoted the claim that Obama has no valid U.S. birth certificate, a debunked theory rejected by U.S. courts and refuted by a certified copy of his birth certificate from the Hawaii Department of Health.

    A November 2008 post that appeared under von Brunn's name declared, "There is no Obama documentation -- no records -- no paper trail -- none -- this is no accident. It is being done on purpose with Media help -- but to serve whom & why???"

    Von Brunn has been charged with murder in the shooting death of museum guard Stephen Tyrone Johns, 39, and could face the death penalty.

    Von Brunn has been living with his son and his son's girlfriend in an apartment in Annapolis, Maryland. The FBI affidavit states he moved in about two years ago, bringing with him two rifles -- one a .22-caliber, the type used in Wednesday's shooting, and a .30-caliber. Video Watch more about who is James von Brunn »

    Scott Aulbach, the son's former roommate, said von Brunn "didn't like anything about the government" and "was really prejudiced against blacks and Jews." But Aulbach said he was "floored" when he heard the elderly white supremacist was the suspect in the museum attack.

    "I knew the guy, and I heard some of the things he had said and some of the things he did in his past, but I never would have expected this to happen," he said. "I mean, it's a tragedy."

    But Jesse Demolli, who once exhibited some of von Brunn's paintings in his Maryland art gallery, said he was not surprised by the news.

    "He was crazy. He was a lunatic. He was scary as hell," Demolli told CNN affiliate Bay News 9 in Tampa, Florida.

    He said about eight years ago, another gallery referred von Brunn to him. Demolli said von Brunn's paintings consisted largely of portraits of Native Americans. He hung about a dozen of the works for about three days, and said von Brunn called every day to find out whether anything had sold.

    After three days, he said, von Brunn accused him of not doing enough to sell the paintings, telling him he "really needed money." Demolli said he gave the man $20, which he immediately used to buy beer and cigarettes and returned to the gallery, where he quickly began to disparage residents of the surrounding neighborhood, which was largely African-American.

    "Then he started talking about the gas chambers, and I said, 'Jim, that's it. That's it. Time out.' I told him to get out of my gallery, and I started taking his paintings down," Demolli said. As he removed the last painting, he said, von Brunn opened his jacket to show him a pistol.

    "He said he really liked me and today is my lucky day, and he left," Demolli said. "He was a crazy, racist man."

    Von Brunn's ex-wife said she was in a "state of shock" over the shootings. The woman, who asked not to be identified, said she did not know about her husband's anti-Semitic views until "a few years" into their marriage, and said she "was in total disagreement with his views."

    She told Bay News 9 that his views were part of the reason their marriage broke up, which she said happened "over 30 years ago."

    "I can't tell you what was in his mind. I have no idea," she said.

    Von Brunn grew up in St. Louis, Missouri, attended Washington University there and graduated in 1943 with a degree in journalism. He joined the Navy the same year, became an officer and served in torpedo boats in both Europe and the Pacific, according to Navy records.

    In July 1945, just before Japan's surrender, he became skipper of a PT boat. He worked in advertising after the war, and described himself as an artist before his arrest Wednesday.

    But by the 1970s, he had become a "hardcore neo-Nazi," according to Heidi Beirich, a researcher for the Alabama-based Southern Poverty Law Center.

    Von Brunn served a federal prison term for a 1981 attempt to kidnap members of the Federal Reserve's board of governors, triggered by anger at what he called the "treacherous and unconstitutional" acts of an institution he called Jewish-controlled.

    David Gletty, who infiltrated white supremacist groups for the FBI, said younger members of the movement considered von Brunn "a POW" for his prison time.

    "That's a badge of honor to these people," Gletty said. "They look up to that as if, you know, if you're military, you get the badges of honor, like the Medal of Honor and so on."

    Von Brunn's Web site promoted his book, "Kill the Best Gentiles," in which he claimed the Jewish-led "Illuminati" and Jewish figures such as Sigmund Freud and Karl Marx worked "to destroy Western civilization and the Aryan nation that created it."

    Postings attributed to him on other Web sites declared both Christianity and the Holocaust "hoaxes," and announced that "Hitler's worst mistake" was "he didn't gas the Jews." source

    _______________

    It is somewhat enlightening how this sick fuck sounds like a lot of the disturbed members of DP and what they post on a daily basis.

    This type of hatred is not healthy.
     
    browntwn, Jun 11, 2009 IP
  2. ncz_nate

    ncz_nate Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    3,106
    Likes Received:
    153
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    153
    #2
    Ah my favorite part, you always know there's a reason for these lousy stories. Seriously, why do you post this garbage here?
     
    ncz_nate, Jun 11, 2009 IP
  3. browntwn

    browntwn Illustrious Member

    Messages:
    8,347
    Likes Received:
    848
    Best Answers:
    7
    Trophy Points:
    435
    #3

    You sound a wee bit defensive? Hit a little too close to home there nate?

    Of course, if you are just a paranoid nutjob I would recommend seeking help.
     
    browntwn, Jun 11, 2009 IP
  4. ncz_nate

    ncz_nate Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    3,106
    Likes Received:
    153
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    153
    #4
    We were discussing stereotypes dumbass. Maybe you should read the whole thread next time instead of plucking quotes randomly that look offensive to you.
     
    ncz_nate, Jun 11, 2009 IP
    browntwn likes this.
  5. browntwn

    browntwn Illustrious Member

    Messages:
    8,347
    Likes Received:
    848
    Best Answers:
    7
    Trophy Points:
    435
    #5
    Nate, I have no idea what you meant with that post other than what you plainly wrote. If your words seem out of context I would like nothing more than for you to clarify what you meant.
     
    browntwn, Jun 11, 2009 IP
  6. ncz_nate

    ncz_nate Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    3,106
    Likes Received:
    153
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    153
    #6
    You want me to make up for your bad comprehension skills? I don't need to explain myself when all you need to do is go back to where you copied that quote from, and read what I was responding to.

    Don't be lazy, you know better than that.
     
    ncz_nate, Jun 11, 2009 IP
  7. LogicFlux

    LogicFlux Peon

    Messages:
    2,925
    Likes Received:
    102
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #7
    The meaning of that quote really doesn't depend on context, does it? It seems to pretty much stand on its own.
     
    LogicFlux, Jun 11, 2009 IP
  8. ncz_nate

    ncz_nate Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    3,106
    Likes Received:
    153
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    153
    #8
    Actually, yes it does. Every quote depends on context. Because you decided to get involved I figure I might as well show you the original post.

    Well, there you have it, you shouldn't have gotten involved. I was handling him just fine, I probably would have dragged it out a little more for his embarrassment or at least get the famous Zibblu-forfeit.
     
    ncz_nate, Jun 11, 2009 IP
  9. browntwn

    browntwn Illustrious Member

    Messages:
    8,347
    Likes Received:
    848
    Best Answers:
    7
    Trophy Points:
    435
    #9
    I stand by my posting of your words nate. You were tossing out one false canard because you thought he had done so by saying that white men dominate positions of power. You thought it would be a nice comparison in your attempt to show that both were false. It was pathetic and ineffective as an argument and was, in spite of your rationale, totally inappropriate and offensive.

    GO LAKERS!!!
     
    browntwn, Jun 11, 2009 IP
  10. ncz_nate

    ncz_nate Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    3,106
    Likes Received:
    153
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    153
    #10
    First of all, let's not jump the gun. You supplied that quote of mine as if it was a belief I had and pressed me to explain it. Now that you lost that point and realize that it was part of the argument you're trying to retreat and say, "well that was a stupid argument anyway". Don't be a coward, just admit you were wrong.

    Second of all, tell me how it was inappropriate and offensive compared to the claim i was replying to.
     
    ncz_nate, Jun 12, 2009 IP
  11. browntwn

    browntwn Illustrious Member

    Messages:
    8,347
    Likes Received:
    848
    Best Answers:
    7
    Trophy Points:
    435
    #11
    Nate, I understood what you posted all along and I think it was disgusting all along. I took the time in my last post to explain to you that not only did I understand your excuse for posting it but I totally rejected your excuse. Anyway, this thread was not about you, but about bigots who spread hate messages and false canards.
     
    browntwn, Jun 12, 2009 IP
  12. ncz_nate

    ncz_nate Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    3,106
    Likes Received:
    153
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    153
    #12
    You rejected it? No my friend, you said it was ineffective and offensive. But you still alluded to the fact that I was using it to benefit my argument. Here, this is you.. "You thought it would be a nice comparison in your attempt to show that both were false."

    So you clearly showed me in that post that you knew I was demonstrating the fact that I didn't actually believe that stereotype myself but was using it as an example. But oh, now suddenly you're ability to comprehend is lacking again, either that or you have the memory of a goldfish.

    Get your story straight man, if you're going to start these games then you better have the brains and guts to finish them.

    Speaking of finishing things, I notice you want to change the subject. I find it ironic that you made this thread about me whenever I was responding to the topic!
     
    ncz_nate, Jun 12, 2009 IP
  13. biddersspot

    biddersspot Peon

    Messages:
    380
    Likes Received:
    0
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #13

    Perhaps.....he's bored
    Perhaps.....he crazy
    Perhaps.....he a secret agent
    Perhaps.....he has an opinion
    perhaps.....he like debate


    Perhaps he enjoys doing it


    PERhaps:confused:
     
    biddersspot, Jun 12, 2009 IP
  14. ganpat

    ganpat Peon

    Messages:
    426
    Likes Received:
    5
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #14
    This man was 88 years old. My guess is that he pretty much wanted to die so he decided to go in a way where he fought for the cause he believed in and would gain immortality amongst the other crazy people like him. This attack was a suicide attack from a crazy man. I am glad that he is not dead though. I hope he makes a full recovery and is send to a prison where he has a few black prison mates.

    It really scares me to think that there are more people like this out there. what is even more frightening is that some people, even though they may not be involved with these groups, may actually condone or show indifference to these attacks.

    It seems like a lot of latent racism has come out after Obama became president. (MIND YOU: I am not blaming Obama for this, so chill).

    I hope that people realize that hate like this is not good and that nothing positive can come out of it.
     
    ganpat, Jun 12, 2009 IP
  15. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

    Messages:
    23,694
    Likes Received:
    1,167
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    440
    #15
    Just one of the few "Old School" Jew haters of the 20th Century. Far from the typical redneck stereotypical south KKK hood toting nut ball.

    These guys are all but gone. A whole new generation of nut balls is still out there in the 21st Century, and they hate Christians just as much a Jews.
     
    Mia, Jun 12, 2009 IP
  16. bogart

    bogart Notable Member

    Messages:
    10,911
    Likes Received:
    509
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    235
    #16
    In a racially charged interview, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright said that President Obama hasn't spoken to him since they parted ways last year, because "them Jews aren't going to let him talk to me."

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/10/wright-suggests-jews-white-house-wont-let-speak-obama/

    Rev. Jeremiah Wright was Barry Obama's pastor for the last 20 years.
     
    bogart, Jun 12, 2009 IP
  17. Jackuul

    Jackuul Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    2,972
    Likes Received:
    115
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    180
    #17
    And Obama hasn't spoken to him since he went off his rocker in a really bad way.

    You kinda just defended Obama.
     
    Jackuul, Jun 13, 2009 IP
  18. Traffic2

    Traffic2 Peon

    Messages:
    57
    Likes Received:
    0
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #18
    President Obama definitely best to distance himself from Rev. Jeremiah Wright! Surely it was the lowest point in his presidential campaign to be linked in any way to his former pastor!
     
    Traffic2, Jun 13, 2009 IP
  19. Rebecca

    Rebecca Prominent Member

    Messages:
    5,458
    Likes Received:
    349
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    325
    Articles:
    14
    #19
    Von Brunn's son apologized for his father,
     
    Rebecca, Jun 13, 2009 IP
  20. ncz_nate

    ncz_nate Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    3,106
    Likes Received:
    153
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    153
    #20
    Not everyone can go the distance with me I guess. I gotta give it to stox though, he fought till the end.
     
    ncz_nate, Jun 13, 2009 IP