You are 100% right. Its ironic because half of those who are clamoring for "free" healthcare.....do not even know that it is not free. I am serious when I say I'm considering to move outside of the U.S until the Republicans get back control of the house in 2010. I'm just hoping no one does anything stupid like trying to kill Obama, because if they do he will go down in history as a martyr for the free world.
YEah, more empoyers will stop offering it and so the people will have to turn to government funded healthcare. To pay for the government funded healthcare, they will use the tax money from the employers that elect to provide private healthcare to their employees. However, if less company's offer healthcare thus making a large majority of citizens turn to the government funded healthcare it will cost the government more. But, the government won't be getting any money from employers becasue they won't be providing healthcare. These people are freking retarded. Edit: Worldman, you posted at the same time as me. I completely agree. Although, I would rather him go down as a martyr than screw the country up even more lol. However, it would be a horrible thing for someone to do. We'll just have to wait until 2010 when everyone goes "oh shit, Democrats ARE retarded, just liek the REpublicans said." At least with REpublicans back in the majority these stupid things will stop. You think this is why they are pushing their agenda so quickly?
Providing free healthcare will make Obama more popular than ever. I just wondering how Obama plans to pay for it. Obama announced pay as you go yesterday but in his 1st 100 days expanded the Federal Budget deficit 4x (The government may borrow $3.25 trillion in the fiscal year ending Sept. 30, almost four times the $892 billion in 2008). Obama signed a $787 billion, two-year economic stimulus plan in February. The Fed pledged to buy up to $300 billion in Treasuries and $1.25 trillion of bonds back by home loans. All told, the government and the central bank have spent, lent or committed $12.8 trillion, an amount that approaches the value of everything produced in the country last year. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=ac8XuIkd3feI Russia is planning to sell US Treasuries. Who is going to buy the trillions in new treasuries? http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D98NSDR00.htm
Well lot of interesting facts in here. I don't live in that country but still it does make a lot of impact on the world about his survival !
My father (who is a doctor) is planning to campaign against this "free healthcare" shit. And I am seriously considering not only moving outside of the country but also switching majors (currently pre-med). If this bill ever passes both houses unmodified it will be the death of my salary. I would be better off working in McDonalds (no offense to those who work there).
lol the answers on this page alone are a classic example of what happens when you actually take posts by bogus seriously. Do you people have any clue what Obama's health plan actually entails? Did you know that bogart flat out lied just a few posts above when he said Obama would be giving out "free" healthcare? Not misled a bit, not fudged the truth somewhat, he flat out lied and not one of you corrected him on it? Obama's plan is to implement a federal healthcare coverage plan. One that is more affordable and guarantees coverage for a lot more people who couldn't afford it today. It won't be free at all. There are a LOT of Republican fear mongers running around screaming as loud as the insurance company lobbyists tell them too, that this will ruin it for everyone because then the people who do not elect to use the OPTION of the federal plan will have their insurance rates raised to the point they can't afford it... But think about that for a second.... Ask yourself seriously which do you think is more logical. A) The insurance companies find themselves competing with the government's plan and decide eh, let's raise rates even higher and get rid of the last few customers who stayed with us. Effectively putting themselves out of business. or B) The insurance companies find themselves with competition and decide to actually get their act together and do what they should have been doing all along. Providing better service and options than the federal plan. The shady insurance companies will go under. That's true. But the good ones. The ones that look out the customers will survive and be better for it, with larger market share. Medical costs are behind 60% of U.S. bankruptcies every year.... This issue is not going away, Republican conservatives are on the wrong side of this issue and they know it. Hence their only attacks are the laughable and predictable attacks on Obama instead of providing a feasible alternative themselves. Question for you free market evangelists.... Can AT LEAST one of you.... explain just how the free market is going to fix health care? What exactly is the free market going to do that it hasn't done throughout history?? How is the free market going to make these insurance companies stop making people pay money for premiums, then PUNISH them when they have to pay out by raising premiums? What is the free market going to do in the next few years that it hasn't done before... ever?
Did you see the original health care bill passed? If a surgery, in the opinion of the government, is not cost effective v. your life expectancy, based on your health etc., than the government could deny that surgery, even if it is something that could help you die in a little less pain. Not only surgeries, but, anymedical practice. It is all up to the government. All medical places must make medical records electrical. If your records aren't digital by (I can't remember when exactly) than you will be fined. And continue to be fined every month. Not only that, you're missing the biggest thing that, at least, I have a problem with this crap. WHERE ARE WE GOING TO GET THE MONEY TO PAY FOR IT? It's going to end up being just like private insurance. Hugely expensive. Why? Because of the politicians. Once they get their hands on an idea it gets screwed up.
George, you make me proud. Finally you are starting to issue some of the true liberal wisdom that Zibblu and I have been putting out for a very long time now. Why is it the conservatives cant see the simple and obvious truth? The only way to get free market health insurance companies to lower their rates and provide better service is to have the government open their own efficiently run health insurance company, subsidized by tax payer dollars. It will be a model of efficiency that will quickly repay the taxpayers the hundreds of billions of dollars in start up and annual operations costs. Those who can't see how this health care plan will actually improve our struggling economy are obviously just blind. I think the only thing Obama could do to make this plan better is to increase a doctor's personal liability limits for malpractice claims. It seems to me that the poor are the ones who most often fall victim to unqualified doctors and they deserve to be compensated for their injuries. I feel confident that if doctors know they will still be liable for financial damages after the limits of their malpractice polices have been reached, they will be a lot more careful in their work and provide a better level of service as well. For some problems, the government is the only answer.
George it has been an established fact that you have given your mind over to the Obama movement. We kinda see why though. You're a socialist at heart.
My response to government running healthcare: they aren't doing a good job of what they DO have control of now, why do you think it's going to get any better? We don't have enough money to run the programs implemented NOW, how are we going to pay for more? And for those of you who don't know what government-run programs are already out there, I'm referring to Medicaid, Medicare, and the VA healthcare systems. All government-run and ALL shit. I spent years visiting my grandpa at VA hospitals and they are GROSS. He died because of one. Had a heart attack after a surgery and stopped breathing. None of the staff noticed the alarms on his machines going off for over 5 minutes. Slipped into a coma. Doctors said his brain was deprived of oxygen for so long, if he did wake up he would probably have severe loss of brain function. Grandma had to pull the plug. And didn't I hear that Medicare will be COMPLETELY out of money in some short amount of time, like within the next 12 years? Yea, sounds like we need more government-run care that we can't afford.....
You're right about that one. He seems to get all the dates and night outs possible and in such style and fashion. I love a leader who tells everyone to sacrifice while they indulge.......could he be any more perfect?
Meanwhile everyone bitched at Bush for going to his ranch. Meanwhile, he was always WORKING while there. Not wasting tax payers dollars on extravagant trips prancing around like he's the King of England.
I'm wondering if anyone is noticing this is exactly how Stalin and Castro started. Raping the country while smoking 100 cigars and driving the latest cars imported from Italy and drinking the most expensive wine from France. All while the people of Russia and Cuba suffered.