imad, I don't know if it's possible, using the written word, to make my question any simpler to understand. I have highlighted the important parts, bolded it and increased it's size in case you are visually impaired and yet, after all my efforts, you have not come even come close to attempting to answer it. I guess when asked a difficult question it's best to either keep your mouth shut or try avoid giving an answer. Unfortunately, for you, you didn't have the sense to keep quiet and it has led to this unfortunate situation where you are in the position of continuously proving my point every time you post a reply.
since stOx do not know why he asks questions, I will answer no matter what you needed, whether it was answers or some other agenda: first, the question itself is not formed correctly for two reasons: 1- it mixes between peace and violence, and both have two different meanings, 2- it uses baseless and mistaken info about the vast majority of Muslims. let me start by 2, the vast majority of Muslims are pointing out the violence done in the name of Islam unjustly, and here is the proof: Muslims Condemn Terrorist Attacks and for 1, peace means: the normal, nonwarring condition of a nation, group of nations, or the world. while violence means: the use of force, using force is permitted in Islam, Islam does not turn the right cheek, nobody does even those whom their teachings ask them to turn the right cheek, simply because it is against human nature to turn the right cheek when being attacked, but it is important to note that the use of force (violence) in Islam is ruled, and not left to individuals or one group to decide, it sets the bases and conditions where if met, then there will be a permission to use force, without getting much into unneeded details: if the use of force is against other people rights then Islam completely opposes it, in the same sense if the force is being used by other people against Muslims rights then Islam is completely against it, and in this case the permission for using force is given, to defend and to remove injustice, and this is only if anything else did not work, even in the cases where using force is permitted, the use must be under the sets of rules for that case, you can refer to them if you need more info about it. now, why do some criticize those who point out the use of violence in Islam name? you need to be more clear here, which kind of violence from the above two mentioned? is it a violence against other people rights? if so, then Muslims do point it out themselves, and did criticize it in several occasions as the link above shows. or it is a violence in defending or lifting injustice, do you have specific cases? there are some cases where some like you stOx, ask questions for something else than getting answers, in a pathetic way to try to convince others that they are right and they proved their point, without even knowing anything about the topic they are talking about, even in your own thread you showed how you come to your conclusions, did you notice that you did not "point out" any violence in your first post, and I did not criticize you, so how can you in later posts say that you proved your point? I thought you had a simple question as you stated, not a point to prove? and even if it was a point to prove, how did you come up to this conclusion? when no "pointing out" is mentioned, and no criticizing happened? you only proved that you are Islamophobic.
You obviously have difficulty differentiating between points and questions when they are included in the same body of text. My point was that muslims in general, as you have proven is the case for you countless times already, would rather criticise people for highlighting the violence done in the name of islam instead of criticising the violence it's self, even though they claim islam is a religion of peace (whereas we all know that islam is really a religion of violence, oppression and child abuse). My question was why, if it really is a religion of peace, do they not criticise, oppose and condemn the violence it's self in the same, or greater, way?
ah, now the question became (why not in the same way or greater?) this is a good progress. so you ask a question to make a point, that's good, but then, why do you keep repeating the same question demanding for an answer? when the answer is not what you wanted actually? as I made it clear in my post with real example, Muslims do criticize and strongly and clearly condemn violence committed in Islam name unjustly, maybe you will notice it if you tried to ask questions to get answers, and not to make points.
Like all other religions, Islam is meant to do good things. Now its upto the followers how they take it. In many religions there are groups of people who would deviate from the original idea and make their own; just for the sake of their own good.
1st we need to define that what is 'terrorism' then we can answer the question by op for some people the acts like nuking of Japan, atrocities of isreal, the covert operations of cia, toppling of govts, support of dictators, abducting of people from all over the world, Russian, Indian, Chinese excesses in Chechnya, Kashmir, Sinkiang etc are also as much as 'terrorism' as any other acts But I see that many Christians, Jews, Hindus don't condemn these acts/actions so can I also ask that are these really peaceful religions ?
Sure, and open and aggressive offensive meant to further the agenda of a radical ideology. The preferred method of which is creating mass hysteria, panic, injury and ultimately death of any and all that are not on board with that radical ideology. The items you mention do not fit the definition. Those engaging in self defense, self preservation, or the "defense" of others does not qualify as "terrorism". Since that "nuke Japan" analogy seems to get used a lot lets explore it. Had the US without provocation, without justification, dropped a bomb with the specific intent of creating mass hysteria, panic, injury and ultimately death of any and all that are not on board with a radical ideology... Well, you might have a point. SEE THE DIFFERENCE? I could no more condemn someone defending their way of life than I could condemn a mother protecting her child. CAN YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCE?????
Islam i don't think preaches any violence.You cannot account Buddhism for any violence committed by a buddhist.same is the case with Islam but, Most Islamic insurgents or terrorists whatever you call repeatedly force the world to believe they are doing all these acts in the name of Islam and allah.
Since here we do not agree that what is terrorism and what isn't , so there is no point in discussing this topic any further
Wo wo wooo! Stox Seems to be going nuts printing his "simple" question again and again. Well, I am one person who is against Muslims who are doing violent acts in the name of Islam. But the reason why people who highlight such acts, get criticized is that their main objective is to tag that religion as violent rather than highlighting what a group of followers of that religion are wrongfully doing. For instance, Taliban are muslims or at least they claim to be, and they have done pretty shameful acts in the name of Islam. If you start a thread criticising Taliban, I'll welcome it and would definitely appreciate it. But if you mention their acts and start concluding that Islam is against humanity etc. and the same stereotype views of atheists, then your motive is malafide. The reason why Talibans' acts are not representative of mainstream Islam is proved by the resounding disapproval that Muslims around the world, especially Pakistan and Afghanistan, have shown. And my answer to "Obamanation" is that Joseph Stalin ( an atheist ) killed millions of people during his governement in Russia. And now all the atheists will jump on me saying that he did not do that on behalf of atheism, well then, they must know that part of his agenda was to discourage religions ( or to spread atheism) and he killed millions of Christians just because they were not willing to leave their faith. And a request to "danephilips", would you care to tell me where did you happen to get your facts about mass murder in one day, beheading of 800 jews? As for your fact that Muhammed (PBUH) used fear to convert people in the early days, when an old woman who used to throw garbage everyday on Him (PBUH) fell ill, and Muhammed (PBUH) went to look after her, she converted to Islam. Isn't that a classic example of converting with fear? He went to preach in Ta'ef and those people beat him until his shoes were filled with his blood, and he still paryed to Allah that they should come to the right path, he did not get an army and attack that area! When he conquered Mecca, only 13 non-Muslims were killed (which fought against Muslims), the rest were asked to go into their temples and houses and they would be forgiven. He even forgave the woman who hired a killer to kill his own uncle Hamza (RAH). These are only a few examples from thousands...
True enough..Islam not only a peaceful religion but also religion from the one who created you..The ONE who created you!..The one who give you life..If you don't believe on Him please just respect His religion..He never ask for your money,your wife,your wealth but He did give you all that.But see yourself.You not only didn't appreciated what He give you but even combat his religion..What on the earth is happening to you.Please don't judge Islam by only looking from their followers..And please help yourself understanding what is Islam,why Islam,what is actually in quran and .etc before the end of your life.Because at that time you didn't have to find the truth coz you'll be seen the truth by Him..and Unfortunately there will be no more forgiveness at that time..I'm pretty sure you'll just laughing at my statement or trying to make a sentence to pretend your ideology or maybe just ignore my warning(Actually God warning)..Depend on you brother..What I'm talking now is just for your own good.If you want it feel free to take it and if you don't want you'll feel it later.. peace
See: Jizya If you are happy with your God, good for you. Stop trying to sell him to everyone else. If we wanted to believe in your God we would. If you want people to respect Islam and Allah then condemn all those who commit acts of violence and terrorism in his name. Namely, Hamas, Hezbollah, Al Quada, etc. etc. etc. There are violent terrorist groups whose very soul comes from Islam. Party of God - please spin that and tell me it is not about Islam. Muslims think they can silently support groups like Hamas and Hezbollah because they are fighting Israel - when what they are really doing is acting like a cancer on all of Islam.
Thanks for that so what you are saying is Hamas would not be attacking Israel if Islam didn't exist? Oh yeah, they would still be attacking Israel. You're wrong...as usual.