If islam really is a peaceful religion why do the vast majority of muslims spend their time criticising those who point out the violence done in the name of islam and none of their time criticising those who actually commit the violence in the name of their religion? If i was a member of a supposedly peaceful group i would side with those who point out the violence and argue against it, not argue against them and try to brush the violence under the carpet.
Is this a question you have and looking for an answer, or it is a conclusion you made and want to share with DP members?
Stox, when taken and applied in its "literal" form, it is not a peaceful religion. That much has been proven time and time again from the behavior of a great many who practice it in its "true" form. Of course not everyone does.
I think imads response, predictably, answered any misconceptions i may have had. Instead of stating that he is against all the violence committed in the name of his religion he, predictably, questioned my motives for raising the point.
stOx Facts:First those who follow Atheism have killed more then anyone in any Faith of any kind . Facts: On Islam began in the 8th century with Prophet Muhammad who began the islam forcing people to convert or died. Prophet Muhammad ordered the mass murder of innocent people in one day Prophet Muhammad beheaded 800 Jewish people . All through Prophet Muhammad life he was a murder using fear to gain new members for Islam. Prophet Muhammad also married a 6 year girl. Islam is not or never will be a peace belief. Facts are hard for people to accept but truth is truth and killing someone for saying it does not stop the truth from being true !!! Wow! Anyone seen this site ? http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2008/09/abdallah-wood-was-muhammad-true-prophet.html
Look at imad, predictably, being unable to answer the question i raised and instead, predictibly, trying to find a way out of answering. Do you not have the brains to realise you are proving my point? I'll ask the simple question written in plain English again, let's see how well you do this time. If islam really is a peaceful religion why do the vast majority of muslims spend their time criticising those who point out the violence done in the name of islam and none of their time criticising those who actually commit the violence in the name of their religion?
no need to repeat yourself, my question was very clear, what is the point in answering you if you already have your conclusion, so again, are you asking because this info is unknown for you, so you are looking for an answer, or you are asking to make a point and share a conclusion you got?
Your thread stOx put me in deep philosphical thoughts. My conclusion: you confuse between religion and culture, or "earth law". These are two different concepts with very complicated inter-relations. All religions are violent. A religion is not based on consideration for the benefit of humanity as a whole The difference is, what is the culture of the people who hold the religion doing to restrain the deadly effects of religion. *) Just today, I happened to read this in the Israeli newspaper. The papers report it. It is abnormal. this man is done. He will get nowhere. He's out. *) On the other hand, in the cultures that surround my country, this, this, this are not outcast, but mainstream. These are the heros of the barbarian cultures surrounding my country. There are (a few) muslim countries which are not violent (morocco, turkey) There are non-Muslim countries which are extremely violent (africa, north korea). There are Muslims who are Israeli citizens, peaceful citizens. Do not confuse the religion with culture with civil and moral values. They have things in common, but they are two different concepts. Successful cultures and societies (USA, Europe, Israel) manage to neutralize the poison in religion (and also not until recently, i.e. crusades), unsuccessful cultures do not manage to do that.
what is it stOx, can't know if you need info or just asking to start another Islam bashing thread? if you need info, you will get info, if you need bashing and bad mouthing, you won't get answers, simple like that.
I wrote my question as simply as i can imad. But thanks for proving my point in a far more profound way that i ever could. if there is one thing i love about the religious it's how predictable they are. When asked directly why muslims criticise those who highlight the violence done in the name of islam instead of the violence it's self what will your average muslim do? That's right, criticise the person who raised the point. I mean really, you couldn't make up this kind of ineptitude.
ah I see now, so you jump up to conclusions before you have the info, the thanks should be to you for answering my question, even if indirectly, because I did not criticize as you concluded, I wanted to know if you are looking for an answer, so I can give it to you, or just have some other agenda. so you wrote your question and do not know why you wrote it?
Your question reeks of Islamophobia, xenophobia and a hidden agenda for your Atheism (your signature link is evidence that you are far from being sincere) and we question your motives. That doesn't explain why your target is Islam, rather than other religions such as Judaism (IDF terrorism and Jewish settler violence), Hinduism (Hindu extremists in India who burn up trains filled with people) or Christianity (ETA in Spain and the IRA in Northern Ireland). There are many more examples of violence from "other" religions but why Islam is being tarred with the brush of extremism and not others? What waste of time to answer such type of questions from Islamophobics like you!
It's hardly jumping to a conclusion if in the 7 posts you have made in this thread you have done the very thing i accused you of. so I'd like to thank you again for proving my point one more time. I'll ask the question again in the vain hope that your religious need to passively defend the murders, rapes and violence done in the name of your religion subsides enough for a shard of honesty and integrity to shine through (i wont hold my breath). If islam really is a peaceful religion why do the vast majority of muslims spend their time criticising those who point out the violence done in the name of islam and none of their time criticising those who actually commit the violence in the name of their religion?
In other words iMad kinda sits in that literal corner of the argument. His name kinda says it all. "I" "MAD"
lol stOx, are you that much stupid? here try to read it again slowly, what's wrong with you, are you embarrassed now to say I did not know so I m asking for more info? or you are embarrassed to say that you did not want an answer but wanted to start a new thread about bashing Islam? again stOx, I will insist in knowing, did you ask because you needed more info? or for some other purpose? I m not saying I won't answer you, but if you did not want an answer, what is the purpose in giving you one? got it? come on, are you stuck? Mr. KnowItAll can't say now he did not know that's why he asked? or you can't say now that you make up conclusions without knowing?