Title Tag !!!

Discussion in 'Search Engine Optimization' started by mlao, Jun 6, 2009.

  1. #1
    I want to add the title 2 time on title meta tag ...
    You thing this is good for seo?
    Example Bangkok Travel - Bangkok Travel Guide

    You thing this is going to make the title stronger? or not? :confused:
     
    mlao, Jun 6, 2009 IP
  2. gbit

    gbit Active Member

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    #2
    Don't do like that.
    Good methods are like this -
    Bangkok Travels,Guide,Tour,Holiday.
     
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  3. mlao

    mlao Active Member

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    What you say is for meta keywords I mean the title of the page !!!!
     
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    internetmarketingiq Well-Known Member

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    Poorly constructed. If you are going to repeat a keyword use a plural or skip it.
     
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  5. Bear Grylls

    Bear Grylls Banned

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    #5
    Yea.. you can do like that... but.. don't repeat it more than two times..
    Doing SEO is good.. but, doing TOO Much SEO is bad.
     
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  6. mlao

    mlao Active Member

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    I agree With You.
     
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  7. Canonical

    Canonical Well-Known Member

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    <title>Bangkok Travel - Bangkok Travel Guide</title> is perfectly fine. It's a great <title> assuming those are the 2 phrases that best describe the content of the page and that you want the page to rank for. It says I want the page to rank primarily for "Bangkok Travel" and secondarily for "Bangkok Travel Guide". Not only is "Bangkok Travel" first... but "Bangkok" and "Travel" each have a 40% density within the <title> element. "Guide" only has a 20% density.

    People are just being super paranoid for no reason when they say, "Oh Google will penalize you for spamming if you use a word or phrase more than twice." That is BS.

    Now if you were stupid and put "Bangkok Travel - Bangkok Travel - Bangkok Travel - Bangkok Travel - Bangkok Travel - Bangkok Travel - Bangkok Travel - Bangkok Travel - Bangkok Travel - Bangkok Travel" where you repeat the exact same keyword phrases over and over then they would know you were spamming and possibly penalize you if you were reported. But having 3 unique keyword phrases in a <title> (even though they may each contain common words) is neither spamming nor keyword stuffing.

    But "Bangkok Travel - Bangkok Travel Guide - Bangkok Travel Destinations" even with it repeated 3 times is perfectly fine. I can assure you that you will not be penalized for your <title>.

    I use this method all the time intentionally when I have several slight variations of the my main keyword phrase that I want a single URL to rank for on a VERY visible site in one of the highest competive markets there is (I'm ranking 1 on many keywords with 180,000,000+ results) and I have never gotten in trouble. If anyone were to get reported for spam for constructing <title> elements like this it would be me. And I have never been penalized for it. In fact, the only time I ever use multiple phrases in a <title> is when they are VERY similar like this (off by literally 1 word each)... and then I list all 2 or 3 phrases in their entirety repeating the core words over and over to emphasize their importance in the content of the page.

    Actually <title> elements like "Bangkok Travels,Guide,Tour,Holiday" are terrible IMO, but that's just me. Each word in that <title> has the exact same keyword density. No word really stands out as the "core" topic of the page. The only thing that might set them apart in importance is the order. But no where other than "Bangkok Travels" does it even suggest specific phrases describing the content.

    The best SEOs use common sense and are not paralized by fear of penalty to the point that paranoia keeps them from every playing in the gray. I'm not suggesting anything blackhat here. I think this is totally whitehat and not in any way blackhat. But if not white, it is the very lightest shade of grayhat which is still ok IMO.

    Show me in Google's Webmaster Guidelines where it says "Thou shalt not use the same word more than once or twice in a <title> element?" Sorry it doesn't exist.

    I'm a top contributer on Google's webmaster help forums and have never seen John Mu or any other Googler there even suggest that using a <title> like "Bangkok Travel - Bangkok Travel Guide - Bangkok Travel Destinations" is bad in any way. It does not look spammy at all IMO (each phrase is different) and tells the user (when seen in the SERPs) as well as the search engine what the 3 primary keyword phrases are that best describe the content of the page.
     
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  8. mlao

    mlao Active Member

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    That was great info thank you Canonical !!!!
     
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  9. scking

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    #9
    Choose your keywords carefully. Use the Google adwords keyword tool. Then, using them twice is ok, however I suggest you separate them like so: keyword | different keyword | 1st keyword 2nd keyword
    cheese | dairy products | cream cheese
     
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  10. yenerich

    yenerich Active Member

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    #10
    Yes, its okay to do it.
    Always the best keywords at the left of the phrase.
     
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  11. BeerGuy

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    #11
    Good for SEO and Branding: Bangkok Travel - xyz.com Bangkok Travel Guide
    Good for SEO: Bangkok Travel Guide - Bangkok Travel
    OK for SEO: Bangkok Travel - Bangkok Travel Guide
    Google-friendly, SEO not: Bangkok Travels,Guide,Tour,Holiday
     
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  12. noddy10

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    I'm looking into this at the moment. As I understand it, developing a site title seems to be a balance (like many things in SEO) between driving SERPs and readability/appeal to potential visitors.

    So far in this thread we've seen advice about tuning a title for good SERP results, but what about writing a title that maximises "clickability" (if that's a word?). What I'm referring to is let's say you're making good progress and getting pretty good search results but now you want your site to stick out from the other sites in your market and get more clicks ?

    There's some pretty good advice around on constructing adwords copy to increase CTR but there doesn't seem to be much that discusses writing great titles. Then again, maybe I just don't know where to look - so pointers to articles as well as any advice gratefully accepted. Thanks !
     
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  13. jkadin

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    #13
    I have done a similar way for one of my sites My site title for that page goes by

    victorian porcelain dolls | victorian dolls | porcelain dolls

    and had no problem with google it jumps from page 1 to page 2 and back to page one each week now for over 2 years under victorian porcelain doll and page 3 for victorian dolls and porcelain doll on page 6
     
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  14. sweta.singh.98

    sweta.singh.98 Guest

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    #14
    Yes u r right i m also using this type of title and its realy works....
     
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  15. Alex777

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    #15
    Yes, You can use 2 times, it is not desirable any more
     
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    #16
    There shouldn't be any issues with your title tags. Just as long as you don't go crazy with using 'Bangkok Travel' over again...definately no more than twice should keep you from getting penalized by Google or any other search engine.
     
    contentmatters, Jun 8, 2009 IP
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    Hi,
    Your thought was good, but for goos SEO you should ignore what your are trying to do.its better to use the plural form.
     
    John peterr, Jun 8, 2009 IP
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  19. mlao

    mlao Active Member

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    I will just do it and tell you if that works, :)
     
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    #20
    Example Bangkok Travel - Bangkok Travel Guide is an excellent title. It covers two main search terms and though this may have little effect in google it will pay off in other search engines. Personally I use three keyterms and have ranked well in all three. Anyway when creating metas personally I don't recommend using the same word over three times or a term more than twice.
     
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