Abortion

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by hostlonestar, May 25, 2009.

  1. BRUm

    BRUm Well-Known Member

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    #161
    We know foetuses are capable of feeling, else they would not react to stimuli, which they do.

    Your brain can move your nose, the foetus can move itself.
    Your brain, separate from your nose, registers stimuli from your nose, this means your nose is not its own closed system and therefore not sentient.

    Clearly a nose and a foetus are dissimilar, a foetus has an array of organs, whereas a nose does not.
     
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    pizzaman Active Member

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    #162
    example please. any body part reacts to stimulate. what makes you think the reaction is not generated from mothers brain?
    so does the nose. it has skin, bone,and few other parts that i am not familiar with. they have different parts just like nose to heart or hand. each has its own parts.
    maybe dissimilar but both body parts.
     
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  3. pizzaman

    pizzaman Active Member

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    #163
    you can not murder your own body parts.
     
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  4. PioneerGold

    PioneerGold Well-Known Member

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    #164
    C'mon now. You can't be serious.

    First, you must have never been pregnant.

    Second, ask your mother when you kicked in her stomach, whether or not she told you to do so.
     
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  5. pizzaman

    pizzaman Active Member

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    #165
    i am serious. do you tell your hart to beat.
     
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  6. Jackuul

    Jackuul Well-Known Member

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    #166
    I had a post written. Then I realized how best to express myself toward your lack of understanding anything.
    [​IMG]
     
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  7. BRUm

    BRUm Well-Known Member

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    #167
    haha I think that's the best way from now on Jackuul :D
     
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  8. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #168
    Are we referring to Pizza? I've not seen his posts in a while... I'm not even the slightest bit curious what he's saying. His "Engrish" was hard enough to read, let alone digest.
     
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  9. Jackuul

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    #169
    The post above mine was from Pizza.
     
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  10. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #170
    I'm too lazy to hit view post... Oh well. If anyone ever wants to trade ignore lists let me know. I've got a list that makes P/R tolerable.
     
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  11. pizzaman

    pizzaman Active Member

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    #171
    blah blah blah some emotional mambo jumbo, that is all you have and that is what i said from beginning. not an iota of indisputable claims. not one fact that can not be shown wrong. you have nothing. everything that you base your belief on i proven baseless. that is why your head hurts.
    the earth is flat for you
     
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  12. Jackuul

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    #172
    You are truly incapable of rational thought and logic.
     
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    #173
    So, you believe a fetus is the same as the heart despite their being such a thing as "birth" which doesn't exist for the heart?

    Wow!
     
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    #174
    like what? what is your rational reason that fetus is not a body part and a human. I have shown a complete and indisputable difference between fetus and baby. baby breaths air and fetus does not. can you show one such difference between fetus and the rest of mother's body.
    different part are for different purposes they function differently. fetus is for reproduction and when it is completed it becomes human. i did not say they are the same. a bone is not like skin and skin is not like heart,but they are all part of human's body. fetus is a collection of cells that are produced by the mother's body. they reside inside of her body. it feeds of her body. it is supplied by her body. but it is not part of her body?
     
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    #175
    By your logic, a tapeworm is a body part.

    A virus is a body part.

    Is that what you're saying?
     
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    #176
    I was reading that a fetus can feel pain, and will even try to get away from a needle. They dream a lot, and can even hear what's going on. Their heartbeat starts beating at 3 weeks. Pizzaman, if you're interested, read this article about Life Before Birth.
     
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    #177
    a tapeworm and a virus function as adult and complete species functioning in their natural environment. fetus is not. but i tell you i do not consider virus, two virus as it is splitting up. only after it is completely split up. what about you. is it two virus or one?
    the fetus heart functions differently than humans. its lungs functions differently.
    it is alive. but not human.it becomes human after its first breath. at this time its body makes the final step. it becomes human. before that it is just a part of mothers body. hence body part. if this helps some feel better and more compassionate so be it. but the pure logical fact is that fetus is body part. like heart or lung.
     
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    Rebecca Prominent Member

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    #178
    Do you think it's ok to get an abortion at 8 1/2 months?
     
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    #179
    i think it is the mothers choice. if she thinks she wants to or she needs to then its fine by me. actually i do not thinks it is my place to judge her
     
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  20. Jackuul

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    #180
    An infant is
    A. Unable to survive on its own
    B. Unable to sustain itself physically
    C. Came from the mother

    Can the mother abort it when its 1 month old? One year? Eleven years?

    Fifty years?

    Hmm... I'm sure there are a few mothers that would like to abort their basement dwellers.
     
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