9/11 Loose Change (conspiracy? nice vid on youtube)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E3oIbO0AWE

Really brings a person to start asking questions huh? Vid is about an hour 20 minutes long. But, the first 5 minutes (what I've watched so far) really will make you ask yourself questions. No matter how much you believe what the US Government says about 9/11

 

same thing happened with the titanic. It's all a conspiracy and everyone is out to get us!

 

Crack smokers.

 

look this another video about that 911 conspiracy > can you understant anything in this wood work ? maybe no but his video watched 8,315,659 times now and imagine how much money he made in adsense from his website ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3AwEz0K-UI&feature=related

 

Obama? you're prepared to believe everything the government has said? The biggest thing I dno't understand is how there can be literally no plane left over at the pentagon.....

 

who said: "All truth goes through three steps: First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Finally, it is accepted as self-evident."?

anyway, still in first step..

there was no Arabs on flight 77 by the way.

 

I got a better one for you

Loose Change Final Cut (about 2 hours long): http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...EgSveGCZKKqQO5nNzeDA&q=loose+change+final+cut

And

Endgame: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1070329053600562261&ei=f9EgSq6GKoX8qAOt5tywDA&q=endgame

 

Yeah, about 9 of the supposed hijackers were found to be alive and well. 2 or 3 of them had lost their passports or had them stolen. One of them was in Denver when the passport was stolen.

How can one of the flight recorders (which is made of the most impervious metals) not be found, but, a paper passport (of someone that was found to be alive and well) had survived intact?

There are inconsistancies which I have noticed from just a couple days after it happened (i was 15 at the time). Things like a 600 degree burning jet fuel melting steel (3k+degree melting point).

I wonder how many Americans are going to come here spouting the government is good We should believe everything said

Edit: And to the person that left negative rep for this. First of all, you can't fail an IQ test you moron. Second of all, my IQ is probably a lot higher than yours, fyi, it was 128. I love people that post rep and are too scared to sign it .

 

I think all evidence should be viewed with a skeptical eye, including the evidence from the guy who denies the 16th amendment in this very same film. This nut job presents lack of airplane pieces at the pentagon in opposition to transponder and radar evidence which tracked the path of the flight to where it ended (at the pentagon). To buy into a conspiracy like this, one has to ignore all other evidence and focus in on a few inconsistencies, as presented by the conspiracy theorist. It requires one to suspend reality and believe that the number of people that would be required to be on on the "inside" for a conspiracy of this size, would all remain silent.

Where did all the people go? The plane was boarded, took off, and tracked via transponder. It turned around and flew towards the pentagon and went off radar. It must have turned off its transponder, went off radar (over Washington DC ) and then flew off to some unknown location where everyone was deplaned and executed by the US government. Either the phone calls on flight 93 were all faked (everyone on board was in on it), or there really were Muslim extremists who took over the flight on exactly the same day the US military shot a cruise missile into the pentagon to fake a crash of the same type. The same people managed to rig both world trade centers with cordite, a monumental task requiring many people, and not have any of the demolition people speak up. If you had Muslims on board flight 93, witnesses to the two planes for the two world trade centers, why waste a cruise missile on the pentagon?

Hey, I'm willing to allow for the idea it may not have happened as described by the Govt. It is just an awful large turd to bite off from someone who denies the 16th amendment in the same film.

 

I understand what you're saying. But, do you understand what I'm saying. It's not that far of a fetch to think these kinds of things.

I think there are a lot of questions the government needs to answer but they won't do it

 

Barack runs the Govt. now, and he doesn't seem to mind exposing what he finds to be wrongdoing committed by the previous administration, regardless of the cost in national reputation or the lives of our troops. If there was a 9-11 cover up, don't you think he would expose that too?

Our government, like practically every other government that has ever existed, has been responsible for monumental fuck ups in distant and recent history. Some had "noble" motives, such as the internment of the Japanese in WWII and the assassination of Kennedy. Some were not so mobile, such as the treatment of the native Indian population as we stole all their land. Maybe one day some smoking gun will arise to justify the claims of this movie, and I agree its good that people are asking them. In the meantime, given the bombings of the USS Cole and two US embassies over the decade leading up to 911, I cant get myself to give these claims more than a passing chuckle.

 

Conspiracy believers are funny.

 

One Word.

Tuskegee.

 

The history of FDR, Pearl Harbor and America's entrance into WWII is an interesting one. Since everyone is still emotional and irrational from 9/11, WWII should be discussed first.

I like how a lot of people say things like, "yeah man it's those big corporations always trying to screw over the little guy", usually liberals. Thing is, they're usually right, but when it comes to actually thinking of how they'd go about screwing over the little guy, they fold. They're populist, intellectual wimps incapable of thinking for oneself. Stox is a good example.

I like to keep an open mind, I don't accept nor reject these theories. Zeitgeist was jampacked with lies so I'm not about to believe any propaganda piece critical of government. In fact most of the popular libertarian things going around revolve around half-truths, distorted to elicit an emotional response. This kind of stuff bothers me, since a lot of the libertarians are absolutists and go on principle and logic alone. Emotionalism, for whichever side it is used, is a logical fallacy and cannot be beaten by more of it.

 

@ lonestar

http://www.smeggys.co.uk/operation_northwoods.php?image=08#tt
Operation northwoods - Text Version - Page 08
3. This plan, incorporating projects selected from the attached suggestions, or from other sources, should be developed to focus all efforts on a specific ultimate objective which would provide adequate justification for US military intervention. Such a plan would enable a logical build-up of incidents to be combined with other seemingly unrelated events to camouflage the ultimate objective and create the necessary impression of Cuban rashness and irresponsibility on a large scale, directed at other countries as well as the United States.


http://www.smeggys.co.uk/operation_northwoods.php?image=10#tt
Operation northwoods - Text Version - Pages 10-14
2. A series of well coordinated incidents will be planned to take place in and around Guantanamo to give genuine appearance of being done by hostile Cuban forces.

a. Incidents to establish a credible attack (not in chronological order):
(1) start rumors (many). Use clandestine radio.
(2) Land friendly Cubans in uniform "over-the-fence" to stage attack on base.
(3) Capture Cuban (friendly) saboteurs inside the base.
(4) Start riots near the base main gate (friendly Cubans).
(5) Blow up ammunition inside the base; start fires.
(6) Burn aircraft on air base (sabotage).
(7) Lob mortar shells from outside of base into base. Some damage to installations.
(8) capture assault teams approaching from the sea or vicinity of Guantanamo City.
(9) Capture militia group which storms the base.
(10) Sabotage ship in harbor; large fires -- napthalene.
(11) Sink ship near harbor entrance. Conduct funerals for mock-victims (may be lieu of (10)).

b. United States would respond by executing offensive operations to secure water and power supplies, destroying artillery and mortar emplacements which threaten the base.

c. Commence large scale United States military operations.

3. A "Remember the Maine" incident could be arranged in several forms:
a. We could blow up a US ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba.
b. We could blow up a drone (unmanned) vessel anywhere in the Cuban waters. We could arrange to cause such incident in the vicinity of Havana or Santiago as a spectacular result of Cuban attack from the air or sea, or both. The presence of Cuban planes or ships merely investigating the intent of the vessel could be fairly compelling evidence that the ship was taken under attack. The nearness to Havana or Santiago would add credibility especially to those people that might have heard the blast or have seen the fire. The US could follow up with an air/sea rescue operation covered by US fighters to "evacuate" remaining members of the non-existent crew. Casualty lists in US newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation.
4. We could develop a Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington.

...6. . Use of MIG type aircraft by US pilots could provide additional provocation. Harassment of civil air, attacks on surface shipping and destruction of US military drone aircraft by MIG type planes would be useful as complementary actions. An F-86 properly painted would convince air passengers that they saw a Cuban MIG, especially if the pilot of the transport were to announce such fact. The primary drawback to this suggestion appears to be the security risk inherent in obtaining or modifying an aircraft. However, reasonable copies of the MIG could be produced from US resources in about three months.

7. Hijacking attempts against civil air and surface craft should appear to continue as harassing measures condoned by the government of Cuba. Concurrently, genuine defections of Cuban civil and military air and surface craft should be encouraged.

8. It is possible to create an incident which will demonstrate convincingly that a Cuban aircraft has attacked and shot down a chartered civil airliner enroute from the United States to Jamaica, Guatemala, Panama or Venezuela. The destination would be chosen only to cause the flight plan route to cross Cuba. The passengers could be a group of college students off on a holiday or any grouping of persons with a common interest to support chartering a non-scheduled flight.

a. An aircraft at Eglin AFB would be painted and numbered as an exact duplicate for a civil registered aircraft belonging to a CIA proprietary organization in the Miami area. At a designated time the duplicate would be substituted for the actual civil aircraft and would be loaded with the selected passengers, all boarded under carefully prepared aliases. The actual registered aircraft would be converted to a drone.

b. Take off times of the drone aircraft and the actual aircraft will be scheduled to allow a rendezvous south of Florida. From the rendezvous point the passenger-carrying aircraft will descend to minimum altitude and go directly into an auxiliary field at Eglin AFB where arrangements will have been made to evacuate the passengers and return the aircraft to its original status. The drone aircraft meanwhile will continue to fly the filed flight plan. When over Cuba the drone will being transmitting on the international distress frequency a "MAY DAY" message stating he is under attack by Cuban MIG aircraft. The transmission will be interrupted by destruction of the aircraft which will be triggered by radio signal. This will allow ICAO radio stations in the Western Hemisphere to tell the US what has happened to the aircraft instead of the US trying to "sell" the incident.

 

This was back when JFK was in office when this came around, it had approval all the way up to him. Once he found out, he was mad and signed executive order 11110 to get rid of the federal reserve. Every one knows what happened to him after that. Last real president, rest in peace.

 

+1

We've had puppets in "power" ever since. It's getting bad now, the "left" and "right" are polarized and hate each other even though they refuse to let themselves realize that they are just two sides of the same coin.. Sadly we wont have a revolution, we'll have civil war

 

It would be a short civil war. Conservatives would be out soaking tea bags while we libs were blowing up buildings.

 

I thought it would've been the other way around ....hmm...

 

Buuurrrrrrrrrn!

Libertarians would create a new country with a gold standard and economic prosperity to put the old guard to shame...