Does God exist ? “Natural order was not invented by the human mind or set up by certain perceptive powers. . . . The existence of order presupposes the existence of organizing intelligence. Such intelligence can be none other than God’s.â€â€”Dieu existe? Oui ( quoting Pierre-Paul Grassé, French Academy of Sciences ) When you look at the periodic table what do you see ? does it reflect pure chance or design ? IMHO many like to think that God does not exist, why? Because they may then have to accept that God has laws, laws / rules / whatever you wish to call them, that he wants us to live by, but many don’t want to live by Gods rule, to live by gods rule means accountability for ones actions, & as society today reflects, accountability for ones actions is not the fashion of the day.
IMHO many like to think that God does exist, why? Because they may then not have to accept that we're all alone and that death is the end of it all for them. They simply are too afraid and uncomfortable of the idea that they aren't some great "infinitely" living beings... rather than just a tiny meaningless spec in the universe. If believing in fantasies and make believe books helps keep you calm then so be it.. just stop trying to act like it's real when you're aroud rational people.. it makes you seem like your nuts
I beleive in God yet i also beleive that death is indeed the end of life, I go neither to heaven or hell but rather I will just return to dust, & I beleive that because thats what the bible has to say on the matter, the concept of life after death i.e a soul or whatever floating to whereever is mans teaching not the bible's. As for the bible being a make beleive book please give me an example & i'll look at it with genuine interest & will make a reply.
If that's what you believe then why on earth would chose to follow "god's rules" or believe any of it...?? An example? Any single one of the many unexplainable (supernatural) events the bible says took place are the proof I need. Flood for 40 days and 40 nights? 2 of every living creature put on a wood boat? Give me a break!
Mate! You are the world champion when it comes to negativity. You must have traded oars with MattUK to row that little boat around in circles. I too was like you for many years until I woke up to myself and actually studied the Bible. Just because you have not done so (if you have, you had the wrong teacher), makes it a bit hard for anyone else to listen to your negative comments. Get back in your little shoe box and let others talk about this with open minds and not closed minds like yours.
Yo-Yo before you make the claim that the bible is a book of fantasy or whatever you first need to read it, obviously this is something you have not as yet done, how do I know ? Because like many who have not read the bible you claim Noah took only 2 of each kind of animal onto the ark, this is not the case, just as an example:- Gen 7: 2 "Of every clean beast you must take to yourself by sevens, the sire and its mate; and of every beast that is not clean just two, the sire and its mate; Â also of the flying creatures of the heavens by sevens, male and female, to preserve offspring alive on the surface of the entire earth..." I'll refrain from giving you more scriptures on this matter as I'm sure your brain will go numb very quickly, but as I said when you have read & understood what the bible says, come back with an example not a general classification on matters & I'll be happy to address it for you.
wether it was 2 or 7 or 100 it doesn't really matter.. it's a minute detail. The outrageous part of it is that anyone could build a wooden boat that could survive the flooding of the entire earth for 40 days/nights and carry (plus feed) all of those living creatures. That couldn't be done in today's time and certianly couldn't be done back then. How many people were on the boat? Seven or so? The DNA of our living population on earth right now proves that is 100% bogus
Lets take the parting of the Red sea as one example then shall we, "Impossible that could never happen" I hear you say silently to yourself. Two physicists from Japan have successfully parted water in a laboratory, Masakazu Iwasaka and Shogo Ueno, of the University of Tokyo, used powerful electric coils to create a strong magnetic field around a horizontal tube partially filled with water. The magnetic field, some 500,000 times stronger than that of the earth, forced the water to rush to the ends of the cylinder, leaving a dry section in the middle. The phenomenon, which the scientists first discovered in 1994, has been duplicated by physicists in Europe and the United States. How does it work? According to Koichi Kitazawa, a colleague at the University of Tokyo, water “has a mild distaste for being magnetised. So a powerful magnet repels water, and drives it from places where the magnetic field is high to others where it is low.†Kitazawa has dubbed the phenomenon “The Moses Effect.†( New Scientist 98 ) Now if man can do this is it not logical to conclude God who made man can also do it ?
I know what you mean. There's these nutjobs (I call them young angry white males with low IQs) that believe in fantasies that 9/11 was a government inside job. They get these silly notions about molten steel from people who make up fantasies in books, then try to sell them to the young angry males to make a buck. I guess it helps them keep calm or something, but they always act like it's real when they are around rational people. It just makes them seem like they are nuts. I bet you are glad you are not like that, huh yo! ? You know how they are; always saying "think for yourself" and "have an open mind." Hey! Put a Bible in front of them and that open mind pinches up so tight, you couldn't pull a needle out of their butt with a tractor!
Czech when you can come up with scientifically possible answers to all of the questions raised here about Noah's ark http://www.abarnett.demon.co.uk/atheism/noahs_ark.html we can then move on to all of the other rediculous claims in the bible. For now I think just this one is all I need
( wether it was 2 or 7 or 100 it doesn't really matter ) yes it does very much so. (That couldn't be done in today's time and certianly couldn't be done back then) Do you know the dimensions of this Ark & the period of time it took to build ? If you did you would not have said the above, again it comes down to reading about something before giving your opinion based on limited information. Before making various claims about the bible ( something you have not read ) don’t you think you should first read it & then make an informed decision / remark. (How many people were on the boat? Seven or so? The DNA of our living population on earth right now proves that is 100% bogus) The answer is eight but hey lets not quibble over that, you say DNA proves this to be bogus, please supply me with a ref to that so I can look at it. Meanwhile I will give you a ref to look at :- In recent years, scientists have researched human genes extensively, By comparing human genetic patterns around the earth, they found clear evidence that all humans have a common ancestor, a source of the DNA of all people who have ever lived, including each of us. in a report entitled “The Search for Adam and Eve.†studies were based on a type of mitochondrial DNA, genetic material passed on only by the female. Reports in 1995 about research on male DNA point to the same conclusion—that “there was an ancestral ‘Adam,’ whose genetic material on the [Y] chromosome is common to every man now on earth,†as Time magazine put it. Whether those findings are accurate in every detail or not, they illustrate that the history we find in Genesis is highly credible, being authored by One who was on the scene at the time. ( Newsweek-Time magazine )
I just gave you a scientific answer re the parting of the water, you obviously have rejected this, so why should I waste my time & yours by giving you more proof, more proff of which you will no doubt refute.
How much water was there? And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered. Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered. Over the top of Mt. Everest then? The volume of water would have been astronomical. Millions of cubic miles. Where did it come from? Where did it go? The polar ice-caps are not big enough. The atmosphere does not contain millions of cubic miles of water. Using a bit of armchair maths, we can roughly calculate how much water would have been needed to cover the planet to the top of Mt. Everest: As if that wasn't silly enough.....
BUt you are making those caculations based on the "assumption" that Mt Everest was as it is today back then. With the sudden opening of the ‘springs of the watery deep’ and “the floodgates of the heavens,†i.e the flood, untold billions of tons of water deluged the earth. (Ge 7:11) This may have caused tremendous changes in earth’s surface. The earth’s crust is relatively thin estimated at between 30 km and 160 km stretched over a rather plastic mass thousands of kilometers in diameter. Hence, under the added weight of the water, there was likely a great shifting in the crust. In time new mountains evidently were thrust upward, old mountains rose to new heights, shallow sea basins were deepened & so on. With the Deluge great other changes came, for example, the life span of humans dropped very rapidly. Some have suggested that prior to the Flood the waters above the expanse shielded out some of the harmful radiation and that, with the waters gone, cosmic radiation genetically harmful to man increased. However, the Bible is silent on the matter. Incidentally, any change in radiation would have altered the rate of formation of radioactive carbon-14 to such an extent as to invalidate all radiocarbon dates prior to the Flood. Must go now, but look forward to addressing your questions soon.
It is true that encyclopedias refer to over a million species of animals. But Noah was instructed to preserve only representatives of every “kind†of land animal and flying creature. Some investigators have said that just 43 “kinds†of mammals, 74 “kinds†of birds, and 10 “kinds†of reptiles could have produced the great variety of species of these creatures that are known today. ( and likewise concerning insects ) The ark had about 1,400,000 cu ft of usable space—ample for eight humans & the animals.............not to mention the insects.
Czech, what you're suggesting as explanations for the impossible are silly at best. They are not feasible, they are merely sorry attempts at bad science by fundamentalists who will say and do anything to preserve their beliefs. I really have no desire to point out and take the time to explain all of the rediculously stupid and impossible items in the bible. The entire revelations are enough to make any sane person laugh. 3-headed 10 horned beast whores, keys to bottomless pits, yada yada yada... it really is an entertaining fairy tale, sort of like the lord of the rings