Atheism's Unanswerable Question:

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  1. Dodara

    Dodara Active Member

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    #321
    Some thoughts...

    We must admit logically and scientifically that the human imagination is limited to what he has gained by his different senses which are the source of the human imagination.

    All what a human create or imagine is based to what he has gained by these senses.

    If someone imagine a big monster with 6 eyes and 12 legs or 12 hands, the eyes and legs which he has imagined is something that he has sow before and the brain has used the pictures eyes and legs to form something new, but did he really made something new?

    The answer is not, because all what he imagined is something he sow before and he just link them in different way using his brain.

    Since the human scenes are limited then logically the human imagination are limited as well, you can not imagine something you did not sow before or taste or feel, etc...

    Now the question is: Is the human brain limited.
    If you ask the most smart person and the most stupid person to imagine if:

    1. The universe is limited and lets say has a border and end ?

    2. The universe is unlimited and has no border with no end ?

    The true answer for both questions is no one can really imagine that the universe is limited, because he will wonder what will be after the border or end of the universe and no one can imagine the the universe is unlimited because no one can imagine that a thing has no end, because he will wonder when and what after the end.

    The answer to the question where did god come from is simple ?
    No one know, no one can imagine because if he imagine that god was created by something or someone he will ask himself again where did the something or someone that created god came from and so on...

    But we have to admit logically that any thing has to be created or generated by something else and we all know that that a thing can not be created by nothing !!!!

    So the universe did came from something and that something came from other thing and we can go on until your brain get bored, but there must be something or someone who made all these things :D
     
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  2. BRUm

    BRUm Well-Known Member

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    #322
    No, we don't know that and logic doesn't have anything to do with it seeing as logic is subjective. Just because we don't experience things in our day to day life that are created by 'nothing', certainly does not mean that some things may not have been. Quantum physics shows that some particles fade in and out of existence. When observed they show themselves to simply exist and cease to do so, spontaneously.

    You should choose your words more wisely; "must" is a very bold word to use. The thing is, that everything thinks they know the answer. It's quite funny when you think about it. Why are most people arrogant enough to believe that "they KNOW" about things such as this. When did it ever become taboo to simply admit that one really does not know?

    At the end of the day, Socrates summarises this all brilliantly with: "I am the wisest man alive, for I know one thing, and that is that I know nothing."
     
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  3. Obamanation

    Obamanation Well-Known Member

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    #323
    Heavy pot smoker. The implied paradox of that statement reminds me that this is the same idiot that Bill and Ted coaxed into a phone both with the words, "All we are is dust in the wind". The guy probably died of drinking hemlock because he was experimenting in something new he thought would get him high.
     
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  4. BRUm

    BRUm Well-Known Member

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    #324
    Socrates smoked green!?

    He died drinking Hemlock because he was sentenced to death.
     
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    #325
    All the more reason to get high
     
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  6. BRUm

    BRUm Well-Known Member

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    #326
    Hell yeah. I know what I'd be doing if I didn't have long left to live :D
     
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  7. wd_2k6

    wd_2k6 Peon

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    #327
    When I was young I would always questions this, and realise that the questions would continue until there is no answer (e.g the universe question).

    You could say the universe arised from a big bang but where did the big bang come from where did the gases come from where did x y z come from. These questions are simply unexplainable.

    This helped me restore faith in that there is something out there, but if you think about things too much it will indeed send you crazy.
     
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    #328
    Thinking that the universe "came from somewhere" ignores the fact that we don't really understand it yet.

    But I'd bet it all that it has something to do with consciousness.

    (I'll pick up my college degree now, thanks)
     
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    #329
    As I said before, all the more reason to get high.
     
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  10. BRUm

    BRUm Well-Known Member

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    #330
    Hear hear!

    You high? I am. On my last bit too.

    [​IMG]

    Stir it up, little darling, stir it up.
     
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  11. Corwin

    Corwin Well-Known Member

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    #331
    This is a brilliant deduction. Anyone who has seriously studied physics, and understands the simplicity of entropy, cannot possibly object to the above statement.

    I have two degrees, one is in Engineering Science, and the above statement is in complete agreement with everything I have been taught.

    It's also a terrific "gating" statement. Anyone who does not agree with the above statement, does not understand the above statement, and can easily be classified as a non-scientist (incapable of objective scientific thought) and incapable of intelligently discussing the question without bigotry or bias.
     
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  12. pingpong123

    pingpong123 Well-Known Member

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    #332
    the problem is most of these atheists here is that once they are forced to admit this, their whole way of thought is shattered and they must then admit to even the remot possibility that a supreme power or being could possibly exist. Thta would shatter their world. Now who believes in fairy tales;)
     
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    #333
    Anyone who has studied logic knows that jumping from "something caused the beginning of the universe" to "a magic man made the universe, us, and then murdered his son" is an argument so invalid that i really shouldn't need to point it out to a grown up.
     
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  14. pingpong123

    pingpong123 Well-Known Member

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    #334
    When we get to the true question here, the magic man answer comes out. The atheistic viewpoint is really starting to stand on a strawhat foundation:).
    I think the question here is whether there is even a slight possibility that a supreme being or force could exist. The statement that the universe couldnt have just popped up is a sound statement. The atheistic point of view that the more voiciferous atheists here is that the universe was just always here.
    Back to my leave experiment.
     
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    #335
    It's possible, in the way and to the extent that it's possible that we exist in a virtual reality simulation. Is it likely? no. Is it supported by any evidence at all? no.

    But you don't claim it's a "possibility" though, do you. You claim that it is what happened. Based on nothing.

    That is a sound statement. But your statement says more than that, doesn't it. Your statement says more than what couldn't have happened, it says what did happen. This is the point. There is a huge leap from saying something caused it to claiming the cause was a magic man in the sky.

    Nobody says that.

    You mean your facile strawman argument which demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of scientific principles and rests entirely on misrepresenting what people have claimed?
     
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  16. Firegirl

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    #336
    So basically you are stating that all atheists lack objective thinking? That's kind of narrow-minded don't you think?

    And just because someone has a degree in Engineering or Science does NOT mean they have all the friggin' answers. If I've learned anything on my journey in the world it's that a degree does not mean you have mastered the art of intelligence or common sense......I know plenty of idiots with degrees....they are called politicians....
     
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    #337
    So logically explain that if any thing has to be created or generated by something else and we all know that that a thing can not be created by nothing, then who or what created god?
     
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    #338
    This is the flaw in their argument.. they start of by stating that everything has to have a cause and then state that the cause of the universe violates the very law that required it's invention.

    They haven't come to a logical conclusion, they are simply looking for excuses believe what they have been told and are trying desperately to make it sound remotely logical instead of what it really is, a bronze age superstition supported by absolutely nothing except their need to believe it.
     
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    #339
    As soon as someone loses ground completely on one side of the argument they start grasping at straws and start reaching towards another debate alltogether that has nothing to do with what we are currently talking about. If someone admits they are wrong first then we can proceed and make another thread about another subject.
    Stox , it seems like you are more then willing to change the subject here;)
    What does that tell you
     
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    #340
    I asked my Mormon boyfriend that exact question after he went into a long tyrade about how everything had to come from something and I swear his head was going to explode.....
     
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