Does 60,000 Webpages = 60,000 Visitors/Month?

The ultimate issue is that any one webpage can only be optimized for a handful of keywords/keyphrases.

And Google does not like duplicate content, which causes the tendency to need to create content on the fly.

Yet, the websites that get the most traffic have the most pages, and by that, we mean 1,000's of webpages; more often, 10,000's and more.

We've been working on some intriguing methods to handle automate mass content creation at the touch of a button, while still working within Google's requirements of unique content, as well as not overloading (creating a great number of pages within a short period).

It's interesting to study this kind of thing.

For instance, if you're selling: 'the quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog', then someone can find you for a search on some of those terms (quick brown fox, lazy dog, jumped over)

... But, most folks don't know exactly what they're searching for when they start a search. So most of your market types phrases you don't have in play, such as 'fast fox', or 'rapid fox' ... 'sprang over' or 'leapt over'... 'tired dog' or 'exhausted mongrel.'

Ultimately, the most under-utilized, yet valuable, resource is the diversity lost when creating a page of content.

The way to deal with that is to learn how to use all the combinations that Google will want to crawl/index, to 'fill the holes' in phrase search types. Targeting mainstream keywords and keyphrases comes naturally when you have 1,000's of unique, keyword-optimized webpages (which can be generated overnight for anything, and sorted for uniqueness)... because all your pages will still carry the running themes (main keywords you're after) throughout.

Anyway, we've had some excellent fun with these models... it's fascinating stuff!

I took one website with about 450 webpages, and generated an additional 32,900 pages for them. The resulting visitor traffic was so pronounced that this company couldn't handle the new distribution channel demands. We actually had to TAKE DOWN the pages so that they could figure out how to upscale their customer service, embroidery machine and manpower, the number of folks they had to box the goods, and how to order their apparel from China in much larger shipments.

Wild how one thing affects another, at any rate...!

So Article Submissions can certainly do the trick, if organized into a massive, comprehensive folder structure where Google clearly understands the organization and can follow the logic (and the main keywords/keyphrases!!) from IB/OB page to IB/OB page.

For me, anyway... really interesting stuff!

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If it's all duplicate content 60k pages = 0 traffic.

 

Hi dcristo,

You're completely right... thanks for pointing that out, for those who could be confused over this issue.

Webpages need to create a unique user experience, and that means that they cannot be similar in nature.

Much of our learning curve has been learning how to properly develop content from Google's point of view. It's taken months to figure this out properly, but the results have been powerfully exciting, and led to a solid overall architecture.

 

I love it, and I have actually began something somewhat similar. What I am doing is every article I submit after it has been published I make a page in my article directory and optimize it to be worthy of a landing page. I have just started so I only have a few, but I had the same idea you did expansion of a website will more than likely be good as long as each page is optimized for as a landing page. Anyway excellent post you gave me reassurance in my idea thanks.

 

Hi kbeus21,

Yes... you're definitely on the right track!

I won't share whose statistics these belong to (GM-licensee selling apparel), but I will show what's possible when this is done correctly, and Google likes the results:

BEFORE



2-3 MONTHS LATER... (Same Website)




So yes, learn all you can about this!

We do have a 10-hour Video/Audio Tutorial which is shareware... for 2 full days, it's completely open. You can download it and study the whole thing before it expires, and if you do, you might find some serious value in it!

Glad you found this reassuring, and Best of Luck with all you do.

 

smells like a Yacg thingy

 

wmsolutions - ok, so you have a question and already an answer for you question ...........

 

djingel -

Well, when folks ask me what the catch is, I shrug and say that it depends on whether you mind studying something. This stuff doesn't come that naturally... so if you're opposed to concentrating on something in particular for several hours, that is definitely the catch!


arrisweb - ah, good point!

Here's the thing... this concept is powerful, but still in its infancy. We've had a bunch of interesting requests for specific applications that we haven't yet nailed down the dynamics for... and that's where the questions certainly continue.

For instance, it's possible to create unique post entries for Craigslist, such that their terms are not violated and yet you're able to set up an automaed system that posts into several categories in a single day, over the same theme. It's possible, but we haven't dug into that yet; it's on the drawing board.

Another one is being able to pull from the top 100 Google searches per hour, and have pages auto-generated which draw RSS feeds, AdSense streams, and perhaps a related set of YouTube video entries into one page... and have that page auto-upload into a folder designed for it. As for old pages, when they hit a threshhold where the visitor counts drop off more than desired, those pages can be auto-removed, such that the whole website is kept current and related to strongly-searched content daily.

Again, it's doable, but not yet done.

Part of the interest will be watching new ideas appear as more viewers take in the 10-hour Video Tutorial over what we have now.

So... some questions are answered... enough to drive the interest toward expanding on these themes.

It's a pretty interesting development (!)

 

http://www.google.com/search?q=site:mowg-crew.com

Looks like your not using this method to hawk your own warez. If it is so great why isn't the person selling it using it to sell the heck out of their product? Why not have a website viewable that is a case study or a 'demo' of sorts of what your method can do?

The simple answer is yes I could see this working for a short while for new sites. For a new site google waits for at least 1-2 months before it starts to add massive pages from a website to it's index's. Then it builds up those indexed pages until 3-4 months. Upwards of 600k pages have been indexed of dynamically created content from my websites, but each page ranked in the bottom of the serps. Also, google only kept them in the index for 2-3 months until they went to the sandbox and google started to see if people went to those pages natural without the aid of the search engine. All those the time it spend in the index was well worth the extra thousands of visitors. The indexing and deindexing did have it's cycles. After 3-4 months in the sandbox my dynamic sites usually come out of the same box, google started to index pages again and then disappears without ever being reindexed again. This method would have a domain life of at least 10 months then a new domain would be needed and a new IP address as I think google also records the servers IP address and stores that along with the content when checking for dup or massive links from one server.

This idea is good, if you can get backlinks for each of the webpages to move them up in the serps and also provide weight to the value to the google algorithm. So, they don't go into the sandbox.

 

looking great website now i m going to download it... thanks for sharing us

 

Hi exodus,

Excellent points, all round...

For your first question about why we're not using it ourselves yet, you're right: we're not yet.

This is because this idea is quite new, and the first folks using our MOWG Tutorial have given us great feedback on what they didn't understand from our Tutorial. Usually we get that in the form of emails and phone calls.

Several folks get it quite easily, but then others don't so easily... you know how that goes with anything.

And, separately, we have been getting new macros designed that automate a lot of what we're doing. These are new, and the developments are still coming... we have new video topics coming out to cover these.

Well... we want to make sure we feel comfortable that when we go to generate tons of unique, optimized webpages for our site, and 1,000's of folks start pouring in at once, it doesn't translate into 1,000's of phone calls asking questions we could have better recorded with enough feedback (!!!)

So we're throttling the opening of this to some videos... some topics... letting folks come in a handful at a time.

Later, when we feel solid, we'll take off with this ourselves.

As for having other sites' details to share: we just got into the idea of training over this concept very recently, and the first group is just now working on their first projects. They're fired up and getting there!

Until now, we were manually doing this job for clients ourselves... and those clients are mid-sized to small businesses that have no interest in what we're doing... they're busy working their businesses... how to improve their distribution channels and handle increased activity. But for $2,500 per job for them, they do have a say in us using them as an example. (Would you want to share with your would-be competitors? Because the first thing you would want to know is which industry they're in... and what they're selling. And how, of course!)

As for backlinks, internal linkage, folder structures - and even specifically the industry you're in: yes, some pages will slide. One way to deal with that is to set up your variants such that you can actually upload a NEW VERSION of the SAME PAGES occasionally... this is not hard to set up.

And by doing that, Google constantly sees that your current pages are updated often.

It's part of the strategy methods we go over for our Members.


Hey, great questions...!

Hope you guys find this useful.

 

Interesting, but I would think this would need a long time of R&D before it becomes suitable. How long have you been working on it?

 

Hi Scoty,

Good question.

It's suitable now, but I'm sure we'll be building on it for years... it's not a particular piece of script or software; it's a system approach, like SEO.

To answer your question over how long we've been at it, if you look at the graph above... you'll see the dates on the 'Before' and 'After' view.

Well, the 'Before' view was taken just after I got the 32,900 webpages optimized, hard-coded, and put up. That was late Sept., 2008

It took me about 2.5 months to set that job up, and it started as a simple dynamic AdWords job. Mainly, I was creating mass AdWords, optimized by URL and landing page. As I was getting ready to run that, I began to get nervous about just how well it was setup... I didn't want to get in over that company's head, lol, on AdWord costs... there were tons of individual campaigns broken down by State, so it was going to be hard to use a sensible daily budget for each campaign, you see, and still control the whole effort.

I remember beginning to think, "Gee... I wish all these pages could simply be seen organically; we'd save a ton by not having to pay CPC on AdWords..."

And with that, the whole idea started to dawn on me. I could actually optimize those pages, hard code them, and strategically produce them.

That first run was fumbly... again, it took about 2.5 months... which is now honed down to within a single day of work, which is what the Tutorial shows.

On the Tutorial, we actually create 60,000 webpages while explaining exactly what's going on, what to watch out for, etc. It took 10 hours to do the job from scratch while recording how to do it, in a way that others with very little knowledge about this kind of thing could follow and replicate.

We could have done it much faster if we weren't explaining it. And NOW, we have much more of the system automated yet. It's getting to be possible to complete jobs within a single hour, outside of the passive processing that your computer can do while you're off, say, bowling with your kids.

So... early July 2008 is when we began... nearly 1 year ago. And we've been developing the simplification, then manual jobs, then training, and finally increased automation since!


Hope this helps, and thanks for your question... it brought back memories of 'the early days' !

 

Isnt this just some article spinning software??

I would probably advise against downloading anything before its been checked out by a good virus checker.. lol keyloggers and stuff are very common here.

 

Yea,,, I have seen people post stuff like this before. They are usually back in a couple of months asking why their pages and sites are getting delisted from google and why they are not getting any traffic.

Automatic content creation is usually from a script rewriting a couple of articles a few thousand times. Which is not original content. Most of the time, the grammar is not even readable. Its filled with incomplete sentences that make no since. You would be better off hiring some 5th graders to write the articles during their summer vacation. The 5th graders grammar would probably be better the script.

On another webmaster forum, awhile back there was this guy who had a site of nothing but RSS feeds. He was pulling pages from every news site on the internet. At one time google had over 200,000 of his pages indexed. The problem was, they were not his pages, they were RSS feeds that were being converted to html. And then one night his site disappeared from google. All 200,000+ pages were delisted. Even a search for his domain name did not return any results. The people at google look for ways to find cheaters. These are the people who use massive amounts of RSS content from other sites, and people who rewrite pages in mass. Do you really think the people at google are stupid? They have a whole division of people that look for ways to find spammers. Its called the webspam division.

About a month ago, right here on digital point there was a guy who posted this same exact type of thread. He was using a script to rewrite a couple of articles. I think he got something like 30,000 - 40,000 articles from rewriting. And then he was wondering "why" his site was not getting traffic. When you looked at the articles, they were jibberish - totally unreadable. The sentences made no since at all, and were filled with poor grammar. And then he was asking why he was not getting traffic. Gee, lets think about this.

 

^^ Good stuff Kev.....couldn't have shot this sillyasstoofugginlazytodorealworkandmakerealmoneyhalfwittedcrap down, any better myself!!!

 

Although I fully agree with what kev is saying, it's interesting the claims wmsolutions is making of this project.

Do you have any sample content produced by this? I'd like to see an original article/landing page, then some samples that have been generated for comparison(if 60,000 then one within the first 100, one around #30,000, and one within the last 100, for example).

I'm not interested in this because I'm lazy or anything, in fact I have no use for 60,000 landing pages(or any generated content really), I'd just like to see something this successful on DP.

I can't watch the video as my only internet access is very limited in terms of usage.

 

The issue Scoty is Google does not take well to people trying to screw with them and they pay engineers much more intelligent than the OP to thwart any attempts the OP would lead one to believe is smart.

One way they do this is through the usage of empirical & historical data.

So that lets say most Grand Theft Auto sites took 2 months to develop 25 pages.... then anyone who comes along and tries to manipulate things with lets say 1 day to generate 60,000 pages..... Google will detect this and dump the site in the garbage pail......

I hope this helps to explain why those who think they are smarter than the search engines........



ARE NOT

 

I agree - sounds like a directory generator type software. I have a feeling the manufacturers site they're doing this to will be blacklisted by google very quickly.

 

Really? Then please explain all the RSS aggregation sites around? And translating an article to French, German, Spanish and back to English isn't remotely close to what he is talking about so that's comparing apples to oranges.

For all of you that are commenting on what the OP has shared - did you actually download the information and review it for yourself before making your unfounded opinions?

It seems like a lot of people like to chime in and be heard but only for the sake of being heard.