AGREE 110%! Religion is a horrible thing that causes MUCH more harm than good. Almost every topic in the politics area is a flame war and the source of the fight is religion. Religion is a waste of time, life, money, and so on. No man in the sky created the world, you don't go to a silly afterlife, none of that BS. Take a step back and ask yourself, do you really believe all the BS? Or are you just scared of death and use religion as a way to cope with it? =\
You know, it's been 75 FUCKING YEARS? How about, GET OVER IT? Think of it this way, if some country was given California to call it home, would we still be fighting over it? NO. Would we have fought it when it happened? Of course. But 75 years later, are we still going to be fighting over the land that was once California? No, it's ridiculous.
Personally I would suggest both sides select a representative. One man or women from either side enters the courtroom and pleads their case. Judge Judy decides, she's always fair and no messing it would be cleared up in a jiffy! OK maybe that's not a constructive post but I doubt anything else I could post would either aid the awful situation or convince anyone to change their views, its a bad situation.
History did not begin in 1948. What does the quran tell us about Israel? We have given Moses the scripture - do not harbor any doubt about meeting Him - and we made it a guide for the Children of Israel. - 32:23 Indeed, according to the very book that calls for the death of Hindus, Jews, Christians and other non-believers, it is quite apparent that Israel was Israel long before islam was invented. nazi's and muslims have the same goal, wiping out Jews. Perhaps you should have "touched" on that? Touched a nerve? Maybe that's a good thing Right! And you're here to point a finger at Israel for fighting back against terrorists. A one-sided "only" story. There are no innocent infidels. Are you talking about the beach bomb that palestinians had planted on the beach to prevent Israelis from coming ashore that went off? You know, the one where the media "just happened" to be right there at the moment to film as more paliwood propaganda? It turned out the palestinians had another "oops" on their hands. Kinda backfired on them. Right, Israel is to blame for fighting back. "Those dirty infidels should sit there and take "our" continued bombing without fighting back." Yeah, that's the ticket! Here, I reworded your sentence to be more reality based: Right, the fact that your post attacks Israel (Jews) singularly, without even a hint of the fact that hezbollah and hamas started all this (again), would give the strong appearance of being anti-semetic. If you are interested in similarities, the nazis and muslims have much in common. They both prefer Jews extinct. I recognize what is going on. Israel is fighting back, once again. Thousands of years of fighting lunatics for a place to call home. Israel targets military objectives, hezbollah and hamas launch rockets at civilians, blows them up on buses, blows them up in hotels, on beaches and anywhere a lung capable of exhailing a breath exists. Yes, very much so. In islamic/Arabic culture, any sign of weakness is met with more violence. If Israel were to back off, the terrorists (hezbollah and hamas) would accept that whatever they are doing (killing innocent civilians with daily rockets) is a working solution. These two extremist groups made a grave mistake for their actions and are paying a heavy price for it. Next time (if there is one, for either), they'll think twice about the consequences of their actions.
Are the kids in the hospitals members of Hezbollah and Hamas? Of course they aren't, in the same way that the wedding party which gets blown up by some idiot suicide bomber is on the whole doing nothing to deserve a bomb. I'm not condoning the actions of any of the participants. What I am pointing out is that Israels's response seems to have the smell of a learned response, rather than one from the heart. To gradually take away palestinians homes, to herd them into ever smaller areas, to kill fifty for one israeli dead, thats not right. Thats something which happened to them. Go back through my posts again and you will see that at no point did I say 'the jews did this'. I didn't. Israelis did, and even if you don't see a distinction, most of the rest of the world does. Do not confuse an attack on israeli policy with an attack on jews. One thing is not the other. If you are going to quote the quran at me, you probably already know that christians and jews are regarded as 'people of the book' and under muslim law are to be tolerated and in the case of the jewish religion, even venerated as being the 'father' faith. Christ is regarded as a prophet to the jews and to muslims. I personally believe israel's policies are destructive and dangerous. Right now, we have Syria, Lebanon, Iran and Israel fighting amongst each other and I'll be completely honest, to Mr and Mrs Everyman on the street, Israel looks to be throwing bombs then hiding behind the sadly willing skirts of the USA. In short, Israel isn't helping bring the situation under control. I'm going to bed now.
I quote the quran to expose those who are ashamed of it and lie about what it says. For some strange reason, muslims are ashamed of what the quran says. It calls for the death of Jews, Christians and other non-believers. The hadiths refer to Christians AND Jews as the "sons of apes and pigs." It tells muslims not to befriend Christians or Jews. What's the big deal here? Why do muslims lie about these things? Are they ashamed? If so, change religions! Otherwise, be proud and boldly stand up for what your religion calls for. Why be ashamed of the truth? And yes, they (people of the book) may be "tolerated" as long as they are "subdued" and pay the "jizya" (infidel tax). See, that's not so bad! As long as the dirty kuffar can "bow down before me" and pay the infidel tax and live as second class citizens, we can have a nice peaceful co-existence with muslims. Sounds like fun to me! As for Jesus, muslims believe he existed. However, they do not believe he died on the cross for our sins. They do not believe he was the Son of God. He was just another prophet. muslims often cite a "belief" in Jesus as a commonality, but in reality, it is not the same "belief" that Christians have.
I'd say the missile are very accurate, and selective. I can't judge their actions as a whole, but I'd say that israel is probably fairly 'political correct' with it's missile more so, than how they are when they bring in ground forces. I suspect that there are instance that would draw more concern when it's face to face. A missile is more or less based on intelligence and strategy. I'd say it would be very hard to be as selective as yo-yo seems to want it (given the variables). Although I guess I don't fully understand his standards ie what is acceptable and what is not.
I would agree with that, hopefully other people can to. The ratio of civilians dead to soliders is not good something like 10:1
http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/terrorism/terrisrael.html Please do scroll through parts 1-9 and see if you'd like to have a neighbor, who - rather consistenly - did all of this. If we had a terror country neighboring our borders, I'm sure it would have been wiped out decades ago.
All I have to say is if you disarmed hezbullah youd have peace. if you disarmed Isreal you'd have genocide. Think about it...
Oh I agree... hezbullah deserves the spanking they're taking... it's the people caught in the middle who are getting the worst of it though
I agree that's a nasty thing,...was in the past and is now. Actually much worse, given out of the 25 million people that died in Russia durning world war two, the vast majority were civilians. But given the circumstance that these military targets are among civilian populations, would you reccomend not firing missiles? I'm not saying israel's government is GOOD all the time, as they might very well be firing missiles/weapons in the wrong manner. But given you have one of the thousands of arms they're shooting into Israel, and it's on top of a building that may very well have a lot of kids around it...what would you do? Allow it to fire or chance your soldiers life by trying to bring a helicopters in to specifically target those areas or bomb that area? I'm assuming you might be willing to sacrifice a few helicopter pilots to ensure less victims...? That's probably the only other feasible way of specifically hitting a target, but the disadvantages are: helicopter pilots aren't infinite and requires quite a bit of talent( not only for flight but weapons), time constraints, it's hella easy to shoot helicopters down, and frankly a government will weigh their casualties vs the innocent life of others.... *shrug* I think they should do what they should done in Iraq from the beginning. Request a certain area to be vacated through checkpoints....or in this case to go to the coast and be checked out...so that innocent individuals have a chance to get out (have the UN feed them for a temporary time), while the militants will mostly likely not leave their weapons. At that point your much more open to take-out targets without worry of hurting innocent life, and you take away the weapons...and you destroy any enemy on the land. It would be the most effectively way to deal with terrorist or insurgents. Thoughts?
Well I certainly wouldn't recommend firing missiles on innocent civilians.. so yes.. I would recommend NOT firing them. If you volunteer to fight for your country, then you are volunteering to die for it as well, those kids can't make that decision. Therefor the burden lies on the military to take the casualties when fighting back. There is no excuse for the careless firing of missiles and bombs when innocent people are around.
Apparently yo-yo votes for allowing the enemy to blow them up, slowly but surely. One hopes his opinion would change if a missile came exploding into his backyard.
If a missile came firing into my back yard I'd be all for them fighting the people who did... I certainly wouldn't turn around and continue the murderous cycle by killing someone else's children who had nothing to do with it...
A valid point. However, a countering valid point is that hezbollah and hamas should be ashamed of themselves for continuously hiding out among civilians. They do it intentionally so they can stand up like wussies and say to the world "see what these savages did." And the media (and others) buy right into it. Tells you what kind of scum they are, to hide behind women and children.
What!? I had a valid point! Yay! In all seriousness... you're also right, they shouldn't be hiding amongst innocent people. They are cowards, the worst kind of people alive.. and they deserve the fate that's coming to them.
Yes, it had me scratching my head, I must admit A rare moment that we see similar points enough to step back for a moment and agree. But it's a worthy observation. For all the arguing of positions that fly back and forth, it's gratifying to see a shed of common ground.