“Death to the enemies of Islam!” the counterdemonstrators cried, encircling the women

the only thing that conservetives want to conserve is their own interest and power over people. in any religion.there is no difference between taliban and paliban.the best course of action in my opinion is exposing them to the truth. and if we can show that they do not follow the word of god in their own religion hopefully they will lose their grip.
the point is who elected them to judge. god keeps that for himself.

 

You are taking less than 1% of all Muslims and basically implying that its what Muslims do. I am aware as much as you are that its not a fair way to gauge any section of society.
Many experts and stat agencies now report that Islam is now the most popular religion with over 1.3 billion followers -
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article3653800.ece

That's a LOT of Muslims we are talking about, and to take certain region and show case them in general view would not give you the right idea.

What would probably give you better idea would be if you took a look at Muslim families in US, Canada, India, Malaysia, Indonesia and many other countries.

If you want to know about Women rights in Islam, I suggest you watch some videos by Zakir Naik (very interesting and knowledgeable guy). He gives all citations and sources and amazingly he seems to remember all the pages from Quran, Bible, Vedas and other scriptures

Youtube Video of Women Rights in Islam - Zakir Naik

 

Yeah, tell me please in how many muslim countries women have equal rights to men

Most muslims never had a choice to chose a religion. They just accepted the religion of their parents, who in turn got it from theirs and etc....
Most of them are brainwashed to never read about other religions for they may be considered "traitors" and get even killed....

 

How many non-Muslim countries do you know where women have equal rights to men? Did you chose your own religion or follow your parents religion? What do you know about Islam other than what you read on hate sites?

I am an Indian and suspect you are one too...You know better than I do what eastern cultures are like. They are male dominated. From the plains of Arabia to the Islands of Japan... it has always been like that. Touting your new-found liberal culture in cities as example of how much you have progressed & how backward Muslims are, is nothing more than a farce and you know it.

 

I tried watching that video, but I couldn't understand what he was saying. At first I thought he was talking in a foreign language, but after a few minutes of listening, realized he is probably speaking english after all. Since I still couldn't understand what he was saying, I googled him and found i love Zakir Naik.

One thing that came to mind on his website is that a sharia supporter posted this verse in this thread, "out of your own men, and if there are not two men, then a man and two women, such as ye choose, for witnesses, so that if one of them errs, the other can remind her. (Al-Baqarah 2:282)" in a way to suggest that women are not equal.

However, Zakir Naik explained it quite differently, as this verse would only apply to financial issues, explaining it is cultural because in Islamic cultures men have been the main money earners. I still don't particularly like the verse since women should have equal control over finances. However, Zakir Naik presented it in context where the meaning is not as misleading. Zakir Naik said,

Do you believe the Quran should be updated a bit to reflect modern times?

 

We can update the Quran, only if God sends Angel Gabriel to earth and commands us to do so...

A better option would be to guarantee equal rights to all in your constitution.

 

And us (the Jews) can't update the Bible, so Our rabbis (Both Orthodox and Reform, but usually Reform) have Gay weddings, and other stuff the Old Hebrew people used to do, because it's not reflect the modern times, and it's doesn't hurt you as a Jewish person.

 

For the women in afghanistan, the constitution may help to diffuse the human rights violations supposedly sanctioned by the Quran. It seems any country that is ruled by Islamic or Sharia law though is by nature, not very kind in it's treatment of women. I agree that a constitution is important, but not necessarily as a supplement with Sharia, but as a complete replacement of, and exclusion of Sharia Law. This is the verse in the Quran that reportedly inspired the Shia family law, for religious leaders in afghanistan to justify marital rape. It says, "2:223 Your women are a tilth for you (to cultivate) so go to your tilth as ye will, and send (good deeds) before you for your souls, and fear Allah, and know that ye will (one day) meet Him. Give glad tidings to believers, (O Muhammad)."

 

I'm almost sure there's a joke about a hoe (ho) buried in there... I just can't quite get to it.

 

Sometimes, they're just not practical I guess.

Most religions are obsessed with having the most children, claiming that children are God's gift. In today's world, such thinking can lead to ruin. Our friend PingPong123 has already started a thread on these lines --> Overpopulation: Will this finally be the cause of ww3?

I believe there are verses in the Quran which say women have the right to refuse. But I don't know. I'll try to find them.

 

Do you really need to refer to the Quran to know that raping your wife is not right and that, of course, she has a right to refuse her husband?

 

Basically, many people rely on Holy scriptures so I thought I'd try to find them. But its not right to force your wife to have sex. It can never be acceptable.

 

I am not an Indian.
In the EU women have equal rights to men, in US, Canada, Russia, Europe Australia, South Africa .......... etc. too.


I made my choice for my religion.

About Islam I know from the Quran, Muslims say it has not been changed. So I find it outrages for a "prophet" to marry a child, for a "prophet" to be a killer. A true prophet does not need to kill. If he was a true prophet he would have known what is about to come and would have avoided the bloodshed.
He would have known the hearts and the minds of the liars and the croocks (if there were any) from the beginning of his dealings with them thus avoiding bloody violence.


Democracy in the west is not a "farce" but a FACT. Whatever I said about muhammad is not a farce but again "FACTS".