I try to do my best; me not voting for the American puppets we have in power is the best I can passively do. Re-educating ignorant people is the active part of that role. When are you coming to my classes How many Muslim friends do you have?
He seems to be quoting a Canadian news source. Seems like well-thought out logic to me. Maybe you need shrooms to see your version of "logic"?
I don't have any true Muslim friends, since being a true Muslim would include the support of terror. Can There Be Peace With Islam? as seen on The Religion of Peace. (Thanks, Mia!)
You have been brainwashed by your government and media to believe such a thing, clearly. And because of your viewpoints and spouting of such lies, young, impressionable people will fly planes into your buildings. It really is as simple as that. Until you learn to educate yourself, do not expect others to do so. Ignorant young people will happily die for a cause they are led to believe in. Islam does not teach that. People scarred by the horrors of American international affairs are doing the teaching for their own satisfaction. They may tell these youngsters they are doing it in the name of Islam, but that is the same as Bush saying he invaded Iraq to liberate the people; a load of crap.
So assuming you were right (which you obviously are not), how exactly does that excuse terror? How do you justify the Islamic obesession with Israel? How exactly do American international affairs cause attacks on Jews? Come on, man. The one who needs to be educated here is you. No matter what the US will do, Muslims will hate Jews, there is enough in the Quaran to make sure that the "good Muslims" will never cease their battle against Israel. Of course, it's much easier to blame America. Afterall, we have freedom of speech and listen to others. Try arguing with real Muslims. Good luck if you do. What exactly is your agenda, and why are you so eager to promote Islam? I can't figure that one out!
I wish everyone would stop promoting any religion. If the world was atheist there wouldn't even be a problem. Everyone could just live together... there would be no need for a "jewish" country... no need for a "muslim" country... it could just be a freakin country and everyone could live together.
I have not promoted Islam, nor have I slandered it. Islam is a peaceful religion, and you are mixing the actions of individuals with the ideologies of religion. They are not one and the same. My agenda is to get people like you to at least re-examine their viewpoints on blaming the current state of affairs on Islam (or any religion). It is almost common human nature to be evil, greedy, selfish, aggresive and afraid. Finding the easy scapegoat created by an irresponsible media frenzy (or propaganda to some) will of course alienate many millions of people. These people will in turn become angrier, more aggresive and conflict will be the outcome. The blame lies squarely at the feet of our politicians (UK and US) for the current state of affairs in my opinion. Our countries meddling in the Middle East has caused this hatred for the West from some of the individuals within these predominately-Muslim countries (the fact that are Muslims is beside the point). Example 1: Iran-Iraq war We build Saddam Hussein up as a puppet of the West to secure our oil supply. We use him (and supply him with weapons) to invade a non-cooperative (in Western eyes) country (Iran) in a war lasting 8 years (with over 1 million casualties). The US funds Iraq to the tune of many billions of dollars to try to beat Iran. The West turns a blind eye to the genocidal act of Iraq murdering over 5,000 Kurdish people with chemical weapons in the northern Iraqi city of Halabja. Example 2: The first Gulf War After the power trip of Western support and aid goes to his head, Saddam Hussein tries to invade Kuwait (based on an oil dispute); the West hits him with sanctions in 1990 (scared that he will then invade Saudi Arabia - a very important country in the supply of, you guessed it, oil). In 1991 they invade and bomb the crap out of Iraq (using cluster bombs which are illegal under the Geneva Convention). Oil supply then secured, the West then leaves Saddam in power, imposing heavy sanctions on Iraq instead (which may or may not be responsible for doubling the death rates of children between 1989 and 1999). However, during the fighting, the United States urged Iraqis to rise up against Saddam, and then did nothing to assist the rebellions and let them get slaughtered when they withdrew. Example 3: The Gulf War II - The search for WMDs Need I say anymore? We go to war with Iraq due to the immediate danger he poses to the West. Outcome: no weapons of mass destruction found and a complete destabilisation of the region. Example 4 - The Israel/Palestine situation The West has always supported Israel over Palestine. Unsuprising, Jewish support is massively important in an election campaign. Whilst making up approximately only 3% of the US electorate, Jewish campaign donations and media influence is massive. It is a case of look after those who look after you. Example 5 - Guantanamo Bay Don't even need to expand on this one, I think. These are just a few of the things that the Middle Eastern people see. Just because you see things a different way doesn't make them right. I hope this makes my agenda clearer for you.
Good luck convincing them of this.. I've been trying to tell them for some time now that our actions directly effect the amount of negativity they have for us... All of those are good examples...
Every one´s religion is not at stake here. People can have different religions and still get along with each other. There is no point in trying to define who is at fault in this conflict. Both nations are- true religion has nothing to do with it since both judaism and islam do not promote war, do not promote violence - in fact they condemn it. People´s failure to understand their won religion is the big cause here. I offer my prayers to all the innocents who have lost their lifes in this stupid conflict. Muslims and Jews alike, Blessed Be
Well, i think Israel is in a wrong place between the whole arab countries, this is causing alot of problems in the world.
On the bright side. Great minds think alike: "They had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the country side of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war, and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country."--John Kerry on U.S. servicemen, April 22, 1971 "The Zionists think that they are victims of Hitler, but they act like Hitler and behave worse than Genghis Khan."--Iran's president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, July 16, 2006 Hat Tip - Opinion Journal (yesterday)
check this site: http://www.fromisraeltolebanon.org/ and specially see the images about the ""messages thingy"
Perhaps the question which needs to be asked is whether Israel looks at themselves at all. The two images below are a kind of mute demonstration of the irony of Israel's position. This one is a bit more recent: The problem in the middle east is a difficult one, but its one which has a fairly basic concept at the heart of it. Its about land and a sense of belonging. There are arguments on both sides, for both sides. For example, Israel sees its position as being ratified because it was given the land when the League of Nations created a jewish state after the second world war. Fair enough too, everybody needs a place to live, a place they can call their own. On the other hand though, when the state of Israel was created by the League of Nations, there was a small problem of the displacement of a number of palestinians, who have generations of ancestors living on that same land. Historically (a couple of thousand years ago) that land was occupied by not just jews, but muslims and members of the ancestral religions of that area. Back then, they mostly managed to live together, except for the occasional squabbles which take place among ay neighbours. Why can't they do so now? Land. Money. Power. Belonging. And that last one is the most important, the sense of belonging. The palestinians believe they belong to the land, but the israelies also have the same claim. Leaving aside questions of the divinity of the league of nations, who is right? They both are of course. But they refuse to live together. My biggest sorrow with this unrest is that israelies seem to be turning into that which they despised. Thats a great shame. Did they forget so quickly what its like to live in a ghetto? awrowe
You guys are so sick to compare what is going on now, with what was going on in Germany 60 years ago. Very sick. There is no comparison. Unless of course you are an anti-semite who wants to make excuses for any kind of hatred against Jews ... past present or future. The fact that you guys would stoop that low, is very very sad.
muslims attack Israel and it's Israel's fault for fighting back. Gotta love the backwards 6th century logic there No post is complete without a nazi reference. Like muslims, the nazi's only desire was to kill Jews. I think it's clear who has strong commonalities with the nazi's.
Now hold on. If you feel the comparison was made, then perhaps there is some justification for the comparison. Difficult to deny though, that israel as it stands today is a created nation, which displaced people from their ancestral homes and lands. Also difficult to deny that israel is putting in place very similar segregation to that which was forced upon jews 60 years ago. in my post I was remarking upon the irony of the situation. Did the images touch a nerve perhaps? Maybe thats a good thing. To make my position clear, I despise terrorist activities - by whoever enacts them. Whether its muslims, irishmen, africans or israelies, there is and never will be any justification whatsoever for military or quasi-military forces to target civilian populations. Any time an innocent dies as a result of a thrown petrol bomb or the bombardment of a beach full of palestinian sunlovers, the perpetrator deserves to be tried under the same laws as those which governed the war crimes tribunals of the last century. To take the beach bombardment as an example, israel said that happened in retaliation. Really? For what? It turned out that the retaliation was for a bombing which had occurred a week before. A week! Now if you punched me in the face and I punched you back straight away, most legal systems would say that my punching you was a reasonable act. On the other hand, if I waited a week, then arrived outside your house, waited for you to come outside then beat you to within an inch of your life, what would the courts response be? Was I retaliating? After a fashion I guess. But in reality, what I was doing was called revenge. And I would be jailed for it. Its not hard to find hundreds of examples of israel doing this either. So in my mind, yes, the IDF are nothing more than a bunch of terrorists led by a ringleader. They are slaughtering people who are simply interested in living their lives as they always had. If israel is really interested in resolving the problems they are surrounded by, they would stop the heavy handed approach and try talking to their neighbours. The fact that I, like so many other people, can see similarities does not make me anti-semetic. And while its an accepted net fact that no highly emotional thread is complete without a nazi reference, it must be admitted that this particular subject allows for the introduction of the concept. Its not sick to recognise whats going on. To refuse to consider the idea is closeminded though. Think about it. Forget history. Push the sad masses of the dead of 60 years from your mind for a moment. blank out the sadness of the historical trauma of the jews, for just a moment. Is Israel doing the right thing right now?