On the future of "Israel" and "Palestine"

You have a ph.D and working as a webmaster. Are you a millionaire?

Peace,

 

In my last year of the phD in physics I actually realized that I hate it....
Why not do what I like? yes, I have more than enough financial reserves so I can afford to fail. I'm 31, so its now or never. I can always do physics again.

 

I am sure as a person who holds a Doctorate of Philosophy, you can bring better sources than "wikipedia" and "a very knowledged friend".

its amazing that you compare "throughout history" with a recently born Palestinian, this alone is a great achievement for this Palestinian baby.

better to compare throughout history with throughout history, and where did exactly Jews had their golden era? (hint: Under Islamic state especially in Andalus)

 

There is no better source than wikipedia (which is as available, fast to get, and reliable). Its the 8th most popular website and their method is great: you will not be able to find lies there, regardless of what you look for.

I don't understand what are you trying to say. For the question where "did exactly Jews had their golden era?" the answer is simple: The golden era of the jews started 5000 years ago, and is continuing today. non stop. (albert einstein? sigmond freund? , more recent: Daniel Kahneman, etc'). If you wanted to say that its amazing that the golden era didn't have a pause altough living among muslims, for which science technology and research is at the last priority, then I couldn't agree more.

 

I'm not a "Israel Hater", but this is the truth
Peace,

 

This is the truth indeed, but part of the truth.

There are 3 maps missing. These are the maps of the compromise plans of 1937 (peel commission), 1947 (UN proposal for division of palestine), and 1999 (ehud barak, israeli PM, offering arafat a palestinian state). In all three cases, the palestinians have rejected the offers.
They acted, and still act, on the basis of: "All or nothing".

So nothing, is exactly what they get, and its THEIR OWN fault, that they are a stubborn primitive society, doesn't nothing we, the Israelis, can do about that. We do not plan to go back to europe, as this is the only thing that would please them.

 

division?

so you came from europe and took someone else's land?
Peace,

 

You are the master of posting such things indeed...

Again, provide sources to back up your claims about peace proposals from 1999. Palestinians wanted all?!? Where did you get that from?!?
Source please.

 

This is not what Larry Sanger wikipedia's co-founder says,

What I said was very easy to understand, though I will try to explain it more for you in more clear words:

when you make a comparison, you do not compare the achievements made by all Jews "through out history" with the achievements made by a recently born Palestinian, not sure if it needs more explaining?

as for the golden era those were not my words, they were the words of Jews themselves:

 

1) The tendency of the people who argue against me here, to bring a quote, usually an out-of-context quote, by some negligible person or from a negligible book, and be happy like they managed to disproved my profound, self-written multiple-folded arguments, is pathetic. These are the kind of stuff I see in the hate sites. You did it twice in the same post. If you want to challenge what I said, write and explain your own counter-arguments and give a reliable reference to your explanation. don't use a non-related quote. I did not say that "wikipedia co-founder never said that wikipedia isn't perfect". I said that "in 99.99% of the cases, wikipedia is correct and exact". If you want to refute that, prove the opposite. I consider wikipedia to be a very good source of fast and reliable information, you should too. Much more than I would read in any other website, because here if you want to type in bullshit, you have to convince the others involved, while on your website you can write whatever you want. I use wikipedia dozens of times daily and never stumbled on errors myself. To refute wikipedia, you have to give me 1?,2?,3?,4?,5? locations where wikipedia is false. What the guy said after a glass of wine is not important, and doesn't say anything. But for you, I believe you would prefer this website as your source of info....


2) you got a point. We will give the pals more time. Maybe, just maybe, they be better than the egyptians, libyans, etc'..., the odds are against... but who knows.

3) The quote reaffirms that the jews had a golden era in that time. I merely added and said, that the contribution of judaism to human philosophy, science, and today mainly technology, is FAR beyong their relative part of the population. the fact is that Israeli research institutes publish more works than the whole muslim countries TOGETHER (that's 7million vs. 1.3 billion, here I mean israeli based vs. arab-based institutions. not muslims working in the west) ! I hold a phD in physics and I attended numerous conferences. I don't recall meeting not even one researcher working for an egyptian, syrian, jordanian, etc' institution. And I did met a LOT of other researchers. In NASDAQ, the israeli high-tech companies are second only to the US in TOTAL NUMBER, not per capita!

To conclude, the jews had a golden era, and still have. I am still waiting for the muslim golden era to start. I would even argue, that many people, like the glorious egyptians and the unique iranian, underwent a steep scientific downturn after the rise of Islam, because of it.

I am sorry that you had to listen to the above FACTS, which reflects the sad truth. Please refute them if you can (a good source would be wikipedia )

Appendix: DP and computing-related Israeli Inventions and ventures: The concept of "firewall" (gil shweid). ICQ. The "Bar-code" (when you buy in the supermarket). The most important Intel research facilities, after the U.S., are located in Israel (not in egypt). Bidvertiser is Israeli. Facebook is jewish. And the list goes on and on and on....... these are just those who I could quickly pull out of my memory...

 

Yep, and Nope.

We came from europe, and from all other sides of the world, to reclaim our land. This land is our hope and prayer for 2000 years, and you will find Hebrew letters everywhere, no matter how deep you dig. You will not find arabic letters, nor the word "palestinians" in any document older than 60 years.

Our existence is more justified that the existence of the US (indians) Autstrlia (Aboriginals) and I don't even start to bring up the neverending list of people abused and tortured by the UK. These countries now occupy Iraq. For what reason? Nobody discusses it. Israel is fun to blame for everything that happens.

 

I already did several times here, excuse me if I find it a bit boring to repeat the same always to new Israeli posters who think they are eligible to give history lessons when they mainly quote unreliable sources, you can refer to the so many posts I made earlier by using the search feature on these forums, they have reliable references (not Wikipedia or a "well knowledged mysterious friend"),

I find Wikipedia's co-founder's opinion about Wikipedia is much more stronger than your opinion about it, in addition to the fact that the universities and profs. who respect themselves will refuse any essay that has Wikipedia as a "source", and this is also in addition to what I have found myself, you will find an example below but for now, and to stay on topic provide a reliable source, how can we have a serious discussion when you support your claims by unreliable sources?

http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=7475242&postcount=7

in the above link, and at the time, Wikipedia had:

when UN says:

should we say Wikipedia was more reliable than UN then?

and here is one, on topic, about the Zionists false claims on Palestine, where another Israeli posted yet another lengthy propaganda to overwhelm and debaters with so much false info, in which he said:

http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=10190832&postcount=6

and much more false info, similar to what you posted, which all been refuted, you can read the replies there, happy reading!

 

I'd like to add, from reading here since long I noticed that most Israeli posters try to base their false claims on Palestinian land (whether it was lands occupied in 1948 or occupied in 1967) by saying:

1- we suffered from the holocaust.
2- we had great achievement.

while the holocaust is a huge tragedy for humanity in general, the victims do not get rewarded by allowing them to commit crimes similar to the crimes that happened to them - to people who were not responsible for the holocaust.

and for the great achievements, indeed these are admirable and of great benefit to people everywhere, which deserve to be rewarded, but again, not by allowing them to commit crimes against others who also had great contributions to humanity, such achievements, get rewarded by Nobel prize for example, not by occupying another country.

 

I prefer referring to the book Islam and the Problem of Israel to understand the issue better.

 

BARCODE HISTORY = AMERICAN
Norman Joseph Woodland (born September 6, 1921) is best known as one of the inventors of the barcode, for which he received US Patent 2,612,994 in October 1952.[1] He is also known as N. Joseph Woodland or NJ Woodland.
Woodland was born in Atlantic City, New Jersey the eldest of two boys.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Joseph_Woodland

FIREWALL HISTORY = AMERICAN
The first paper published on firewall technology was in 1988, when engineers from Digital Equipment Corporation (DEC) developed filter systems known as packet filter firewalls.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firewall

Digital Equipment Corporation was a pioneering American company in the computer industry.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Equipment_Corporation

FACEBOOK HISTORY = AMERICAN
Mark Zuckerberg founded Facebook with fellow computer science major students and his roommates Dustin Moskovitz and Chris Hughes while he was a student at Harvard University. Website membership was initially limited to Harvard students, but was expanded to other colleges in the Boston area, the Ivy League, and Stanford University.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook

ICQ HISTORY = ISRAELI
ICQ is an instant messaging computer program, which was first developed by the Israeli company Mirabilis.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICQ

You state it contains NO lies, next post it's 99.99%.
Will it be 99.98% next post & 99.97% next?

 

i can post any thing in wikipedia so it is never to be trusted source
and what about 5000 years ago is that ajoke ibrahim has come to kanaan land which is called palastine now 1200 years p.c.
the state of soliman and david not exeed 200 years
be accurate please

 

No. You can not post anything in Wikipedia. You must post facts, backed up with reference and explanation, or your ammendment will be delete.

 

Everything was from my memory. Wikipedia is correct. So here are the ammendments if you are into fine details:
By "invention" of the barcode I meant the use in commercial supermarket shopping and daily life. The laser-technologies barcode reader. This was an israeli invention, if i'm not mistaken.

By "firewall" I should have written: Stateful Firewall inspection. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gil_Shwed

For "facebook", I didn't say Israeli, I said jewish, and indeed Mark zuckerberg is jewish: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Zuckerberg

To say again, the israeli hightech inventions are countless, and wikipedia is 99.99% correct.

Cheers

 

imad, I don't remember me saying that.
My claims on the land you call "palestinians land" (assuming you refer to Tel-Aviv) is three-fold, and very simple:

1) Israel has always been the heart and soul of the jewish people, before and during the 2000 years of diaspora. In every jewish wedding ceremony in the last 2000 years, a broom says (loose translation): "If I forget you Jerusalem, may tongue will stick inside my mouth"..hehe.. something like that. I said that two..lol.. although I would very easily forget about Jerusalem for true peace. But I'm a very secular not typical israeli This land is full with hebrew history. stones 2000 years old are found every day with hebrew (not arabic) letters that today every 7 years old can read without translation, like this one. remarkable, isn't it?
2) The term "palestinian land" is such a big oximoron. absurd. The "palestinian people" was invented after/during the creation of the state of Israel. Of the many facts that palestinians supports find hard to accept, this one is the hardest. To learn more about that and why I say that, read the my introductory first post in this thread.

But the above two reasons are secondary, the main reason is:
I was born in 1977. This is my country and my place. I have nowhere else to go. And I don't want to go. Like the american who was born in seattle or the Australian who was born in sydney. They will have nowhere to go should the UN decide to give the land back to the aboriginals/indians.
If the palestinians would like to live with us in the future, they have to try and find a solution which will fit to the course of history, and not try to reverse it like it didn't happen. This is unprecedented. Capish?
If they don't want to live with us, no problem. The life in Israel is great. Our economy, albeit in the most irrational region on earth, based on our great minds and not on abundance of oil, is booming. I have no problem should they prefer to stay in the refugee camps for another 100 years. If I were palestinian I would have stopped whining for what I have lost because my people was stupid and stubborn, and come up with new creative ideas for the future. Or, maybe like yourself, get the hell out of there and seek a better life in the west?

 

Palestine, whether the lands occupied in 1948, or after, had Jewish people living there with Muslims and Christians since ages, they made a tiny percentage and they were allowed to stay there, and this is how it was all the time, only when the Zionists came we started to hear the slogans such as "a land without a people for a people without a land" and "Jewish state"

more accurate to say that the so-called Israel is a Zionists illegal state, not a Jewish state, since there are so many Jews around the world who are against it.

if you mean the name here, the name been there since bible times and even before, it developed and did not keep the exact spelling since the ancient times, but this is not the only case, take Francia for example which is France now, can somebody say now that France did not exist?

and if you mean the people, I for sure hope that you know that "people" whether Palestinians or others, do not get "invented"

Palestinian lands, whether the ones been occupied illegally in 1948, or the ones in 1967 - have not been empty, they were inhabited by the Palestinian people since history, till the Zionists came with terrorism, massacres, and killing and expelled hundreds of thousands of them out of their lands and properties.