Sorry to spoil your fantasy, but Obama's approval ratings are falling. Look at this graph from Rasmussen: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...ministration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll you are looking at a regular and steady decline in people that say they strongly approve of the the way Barack Obama is performing as President, and a regular rise in people that strongly disapprove of how he's doing his job. And if you don't like Rasmussen, then show me someone else's! You know, a short time ago, I remember all those left-wingers throwing a tantrum because they lost (twice). Now, those on the far left wing that hated Bush are getting louder and louder and they are confusing that noise (and that's all it is to the rest of us) with the opinion of the general population. Sure, the right-wingers are upset because they lost. But that doesn't mean they're wrong. Have you seen how corrupt state governments become when they are so completely dominated by one party, that they face no political opposition or criticism? They completely rip off the joint, even the curtains in the State Capitol. Here in Massachusetts, they are throwing a new Democratic state representative in jail every month. With absolutely no Republicans, there is no one to put checks against abuse of power. There was a video on the Boston news that showed democratic state representative Dianne Wilkerson in a diner stuffing 100 dollar bills in her blouse. She wasn't even shy about it. And I'm not joking when I say that she is one of the least important Democratic politicians that have been arrested here, and she took the least amount of bribes. So, the far right wing is going to criticise Obama. That's the way it's supposed to work. So grow up, and stop whining about it. And, oh, by the way, I'm a Moderate (we like to think for ourselves, thank you, ""I won't be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered"") and while I like Obama in general, I think some of his recent decisions are very questionable and seem less in line with what this country needs and are more politically motivated. The most important problem I have with Obama is this: he still has not fixed the root of the problem - he hasn't gotten credit flowing through the banks. Not even close. And he only started to take actions to free up credit in the past two weeks. WTF HAS HE BEEN DOING WITH OUR MONEY??? Because without credit in the system, there is absolutely no amount of money that Washington can spend to rescue the economy. And you sure can't blame Bush here - this is a Right Now problem and it is absolutely Obama's responsibility - and for that failure, he has to assume all the blame for this economy. (Well, half the blame. Pelosi deserves the other half). Well, if you look at the poll numbers above, it looks like LOTS of people are no longer totally supporting the President. Looks like they are having second thoughts, huh? And as far as your "loon" comment - nice bit of political bigotry, there! Always interesting to meet someone who is completely intolerant of anyone that thinks differently than you. That's very disingenuous of you, to claim to know with absolute certainty what McCain would have done. And it's blatantly intellectually dishonest, isn't it? I'm pleased, too. But I suspect that you and I have two completely different reasons. If an investigation concluded that the Bush administration bent the rules but there was absolutely no evidence of any crime, would you be relieved? Would you want evidence to be invented? Would you not believe it? Really? That's amazing how you are totally unconcerned about pesky little details like any evidence of any crime whatsoever, the total lack of any charges being brought, the fact that after three years of a Democratic congress still no investigation has been started, nor can anyone even suggest exactly WHAT was done that was allegedly illegal???
http://www.thepresidentialcandidates.us/president-obama-at-63-approval/1043/ Gallup. The standard for approval ratings. You can cherry pick your GOP leaning Rasmussen poll that no one takes seriously if you want. But Gallup is the standard and has been since the 1930s. When people talk about Bush's or Clinton's or Reagan's approval ratings they are talking about the Gallup #s. That's why the Gallup #s are the only ones that matter today. They are the standard. Get a grip. Obama is as popular as ever, the only thing that's happening is the right wingers are throwing a tantrum and getting louder and louder as the rest of the country turns the volume down. We're ignoring the right wing lunacy because it's no longer relevant. You lost, get over it.
I did vote for McCain but it's Obama's inexperience and celebrity tendencies that threw me off to him. Unfortunately he still has those traits and loves to make them clear and obvious to the rest of the world. I happen to know a lot of Obama supporters who are regretting their decision. You know, sometimes it's ok to say "alrighty guys I might have been wrong". The general consensus is that Obama is losing public opinion -bicker all you want on accurate sources but that's the reality we're facing. If you don't want to accept it, fine, even your "accurate" polls will have to show his decline at some point. Lets see how you feel then, right? You two are well over the lines of being fan obsessive and need to wake up to reality. Actually watch the news, at this point it doesn't even matter which station, because even the White House cannot conceal all of Obama's blunders as he continues to make them. He has made more blunders than any President to date! Bush vs Obama is merely quality vs quantity. Bush may have made grave errors, but Obama is making more small (and large) blunders daily than we can count. Obama is and has been a remarkably awful president! We can only hope that in 4 years both parties manage to elect a real leader, regardless of party sides! That's only if the U.S. even survives Obama's leadership! "We the people, for the people" - lately the people have been speaking, and Obama's been ignoring them. It's the responsibility of the citizens to remove poor governments. That's what our forefathers thought. Obama's vision of change is nothing more than a farce, we need to stand up and make our own change, and this time it needs to be in the right direction. He asked for accurate listings. The BLOG linked above is extremely left winged. Don't believe me? Just read their own posts! (Damn another long post, stop riling me up... )
100% agree Gallup polls are the best known & trusted. Never heard of Rasmussen until the white-wingers here started pushing them.
HAHAHA! White-wingers?! Have you been browsing Obama forums lately? Did you read the Audacity of Chope? When did you decide to convert to a racist?
Or what a 100 trillion dollar bill looks like. Zimbabwe's budget must be in the octillions. that number looks like this 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000.00
I'm glad you took it as the joke it was meant to be I'm not racist as race doesn't matter but what do you call an aversion to right-wingers and the bile they spew forth? That's what I am!
Well I'm glad we can all feel safe joking about evil mean white people. Since they are all evil, mean, white and rich. Why is everything about race with you people, every single thing you socialists spew has to do with race, and 99 times out of 100 it's the evil white guy putting down the poor colored victim of society. Maybe we can grow up, take responsibility someday and stop being racist and blaming things on the color of one's skin?
As usual, the Obama administration has already anticipated this. He realizes that people three months later have already taken their eye off the ball, off of how evil the Bush administration was, and why all of this is really Bush's fault. Some have alleged that his decision to allow investigations into Bush Era enhanced interrogation techniques is a bit of a flip-flop, how it is looking backward, not forward, but in truth it is a stroke of genius. We got in office by demonizing Bush, and we are going to maintain, and even bolster our poll numbers by digging his up his corpse and propping it up on the white house lawn for as long as we can. Sure these hearings will likely never end in any convictions, but the point is the American populace will be distracted from anything Mr. Obama may be doing that is displeasing, and focused once again on the evil Bush regime! If you think that sh*t won't sell, think again. Not only is Mr. Obama incredibly intelligent, handsome, charismatic, a great leader, a military and financial whiz kid, and extremely sexually attractive, but he is most of all a marketing genius (even the conservatives have to admit that one).
What the hell? Are you in love with him?! I think you need help man, politics are politics, but when it starts ranging along a major obsession (as most of your posts do) then it becomes destructive. You and me are debating in several different threads and I've seen you go from valid point debating to spewing racist filth all in defense of a man you've never met. Believing in a person is one thing, but as a medical provider the strength and psedo-attachment your comments have me worried. If the statement above is truly what you believe then I urge you to visit your doctor to speak about it. Debate aside, look at what your typing! now to deflate most of your post.... I suppose your not in love with Obama now....you are Obama right? You know exactly what he's thinking and how this world works. Your luckily enough to have proof that Bush committed a crime, something no man has on earth. Your making assumptions again... No, that's not why Obama got in office. Obama got in office after promising change, a change from Bush, a change from the way things are. People were tired of the Republican party and McCain and palin didn't seem a viable option. Bush was not the reason why Obama was elected, it may have helped, but it was not the primary reason. Did you vote for Obama? Are you even American? I have to wonder after reading half of your posts.... No, no, and still no. Are your really this ignorant?! I hate to say that about you but really. Are you even trying to make valid points anymore? Half of what you say is idiotic no matter what party your chanting for, or whether you support Obama or not! Have you been ignoring the news and current events?! America is not stupid enough to be distracted by the past and ignore the here and the now. We are speaking out, and we're doing it a lot more often and in greater numbers than any Presidental term to date! Bush did not have a regime, he may have been a poor President but he was not evil. To think so is stupid. Obamanation - I think you are a left wing radical who is so blinded by his fan obsession of Obama that he can't see what is actually going on. You are a fan who appears to be bordering on a religious follower. Your obsession with Obama seems levels along psychiatric disorders that demand medication to be controlled. You are a racist, and you've proven it time and time again at DP. You have no place in a debate if you have nothing viable to bring to the debate table. I urge you to actually think before you type, and I warn you that if you spill anymore racist filth (on ANY race) or lead this (or any) debate into a hating match I will report you to the moderators. Stop being immature and debate like someone who knows what's going on.
Now now, no need to get all sensitive about this. Sensitivity is a liberal trait, and I suspect you are a conservative. To your points: ABSOLUTELY! And so is the rest of America and the rest the world. If loving Obama is wrong, I don't want to be right! I think you and I are on the same page here! The natural sequiter here is, why did America want a change from Bush? Answer: Because we made his name synonomous with Hitler. We don't need proof that Bush committed a crime. We got the popular media to imply it every time they brought up his name. I can admit that the Democrats were complicit in both the Iraq war and the interogation techniques used, but that is irrelevant when we are talking about what we have gotten the American people, and frankly, the people abroad to focus on. Up until very recently, Fox News had no international representation, leaving only CNNI and BBC to report American news abroad. Have you ever watched those channels? Believe me, the reason the world hate's Bush so much is because we sold it to them. Every news peice on Iraq during the war was about the destruction of the Iraqi people. CNNI actually had an ongoing human interest peice where they followed the rehabilitation of a young Iraqi boy who was maimed by a peice of unexploded US artillery he found in the street. For months the world watched the imagery of this poor Iraqi boy, maimed as a result of the US military agression sponsored by George W. Bush. Of course this kid was so badly maimed, he would never live a normal life again, but it really drove home how evil the entire Iraqi invasion was. America will focus on whatever they see on the news, and that is something we control. These investigations and trials into torture interrogation techniques will drag out for years and will get never ending press coverage. Oh sure, Fox will continue to whine about a 2 trillion dollar deficit and a 10 trillion dollar debt, but the rest of the news media will mostly ignore it. Furthermore, we will have Hollywood cranking out films about American "torture", further focusing the public on the issue, while lining the pockets of the most left leaning people in this country with more money to throw at the Democratic party. Well, calling me a racist for calling other people racists seems a bit off. You could call it nonsense, or over the top, or pure left wing propaganda, but I'm not sure how we make the leap to racist. Secondly, regarding what I have to bring to the table, read the content of my post here. Am I not presenting facts to backup my claims? I'm sure it pisses off the right wing, and perhaps a lot of the moderates in America that we can do this and get away with it, but the fact is we did it and will continue to do it. Thats not racism, thats not spin, its just the way it is. If it were untrue, you guys would be voting us out of office en masse come 2010. Do you really think that is going to happen?
Another great article on how Obama's popularity continues to stay high while the fringe of the right wing keeps kicking & screaming (like a child having a temper tantrum) http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0409/21540.html The GOP is really allowing themselves to become completely irrelevant. I will not be surprised at all if G W Bush ends up going down in history not only as the worst President of all time, but also as the man who destroyed the Republican party.
Still hanging in there at 34% for two consecutive days. http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...ministration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
I was talking to some other reasonable folks about this the other night - the lunacy on the right and how out of touch they appear to be with mainstream America now. And I was saying that it seems that this nutty "tea bagging" and "texas should secede" BS only appeals to the very right wing fringe of the GOP and that these tactics will not allow them to be competitive in future elections. And they shot back with a more important point: Why am I even paying attention to what these crazies say anymore? They are no longer relevant. At all. The right wing as we've known it dying. I think it's likely that unless the Republican party completely changes what they are all about, they will eventually go the way of the Whigs. Anyway, I've taken their advice. Instead of reacting to the silly tantrums from the right and watching Glenn Beck and the rest of the loonies on Fox News with mouth agape at how insane they have become - I'm just going to ignore them. Like the naughty little bad children that they are they need to be ignored, the best way that an adult can respond to them is just to let them get the tantrum out of their system on their own in the corner while the adults go about their business. That goes for anyone here that insists on saying insane irrational things; if you can't speak intelligently then you are on ignore. I will not play with the children anymore. It's time to grow up or shut up. The country is moving forward, with or without you.
Whilst I heartily understand your reasoning, I'm not sure ignoring them will help. To understand a problem you need to hear both (or all) sides of the argument / debate to work out your own rationale. I certainly do have an aversion to right-wing philosophy, and boy there's a lot of bile spewed here, but they 'sometimes' do bring up points worthy of consideration. Okay, it's not so often haha. When you take into account trolls like Mia, basing his 'facts' on unknown pollsters and then packing it around any shit he can spin to attack Obama, maybe your attitude's the right one!
So people that don't share your opinion are now trolls? At least he tries to listen to the other side. We haven't always agreed, but he certainly doesn't call me names because we have different opinions. Save the troll designation for people who actually deserve it. I could name about 3, yourself included.
Zibblu has it right. No longer should the ruling class of this country be concerned with what the opposition has to say. This fact was made clear by the Obama administration itself when David Axelrod declared the Tea bagger's display of dissent as "Unhealthy" for our great nation. Its not just Zibblu and I who think the opposition should be silenced. This is coming from the top. I suppose it will be tolerated, for now.
Not at all, i've NEVER agreed with anything you've posted and never called you a troll. Hahaha, I should take 'your' advice now?
Ah. I see this is a favorite tactic of that most famous of liberal extremists, Adolph Hitler: The tactics of Social Democracy consists in opening, at a given signal, a veritable drum-fire of lies and calumnies against the man whom they believed to have been the most redoubtable of their adversaries, until the nerves of the latter gave way and political opponents sacrificed the man who was attacked, simply in the hope of being allowed to live in peace. But the hope proved always to be a foolish one, for they were never left in peace. We repeat these same tactics are repeated again and again, until fear of our mad dogs exercises, through suggestion, a paralysing effect on any who might oppose us. - Mein Kampf The idea here is, Hilter believed that the failures of the present government would be forgotten if the attention of the public would be focused on blame. Many of today's supporters of Obama believe in the same thing, doesn't they? Of course, Blame is not a solution.
Actually FireGirl is a good example of someone I don't have on ignore. I don't think FireGirl is a troll - I just think she's wrong. On the other hand there are definitely people here who post things that are obviously incorrect just to irritate other people - I consider that troll behavior (I am not naming names, but I think it's obvious who I am referring to.) And I don't see any reason to continue giving these people attention that they do not deserve.