Prayers for Israel

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by Blogmaster, Jul 13, 2006.

  1. ferret77

    ferret77 Heretic

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    #281
    theres che guevera/ fidel castro terrorists/freedom fighters, depends on where you sit

    whats that saying "terrorists, what the big army calls the little army"
     
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  2. Rick_Michael

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    #282
    I'll have to read to see if there's an credence to this.

    I tend not to be overzealous with generalizations. As most people perceive white men as the only ones that commit serial killing, and while for the most part that's true... but a handful of different races of people do the same thing, and even more so abroad.

    I remember when they were trying to find out whom was doing the sniping outside of Home Depots and otherwise...and everyone just assumed it was a crazy white boy, but it was two black muslim men. So it goes to show that while I believe people should have the ball not to check old ladies at the airport (because of the BS of acting PC), they can't excessively focus on stereotypical perspectives in terrorism, serial kiling and such.

    It's a useful tool, but it shouldn't be leaned on exclusively.
     
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  3. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #283
    Were you making a point?
     
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  4. ferret77

    ferret77 Heretic

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    #284
    just slow respose to this
     
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  5. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #285
    Ah, ok, makes sense now ferret, thanks. Yep, there have been some "one off" groups out there. They come, they go. Only one group that is persistently consistent, day in and and day out.
     
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  6. Rick_Michael

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    #286

    On Israel and it's neighbors. Well, I happened to think the initial placement of the Jews in Israel was a mistake, in that it wasn't a practical way doing things. Obviously they weren't going to get along, and who need what clearly could be the future of nucleur war in the middle east?

    Roosevelt basically turned down the offer to take the Jews...one that was given from Hitler himself. Fairly sad if you tihnk about it.

    I think we should have taken them in.

    But practically, they live their now, and there's no use in trying to push them out and say it's not their land. I think Israel sometimes behaves in irrational ways, and I don't approve of many of their actions. But I do believe they have every right to protect themselves from any incoming threat or potential threat that is a bit 'insane'.

    I'm not expecting them to not accidentally kill innocent individuals (but I suppose that's a case by case situation); but I do expect they don't try to cover things up, which if you look at the history of it, it looks like they joined this 'roadmap' of peace to avoid such a mess allegation.

    It's hard not feel for the region itself, becasue it seems the leadership throughout the region just wants to use the minds and blood of their people to settle things which are just stupid in perspective.

    It's a two sided thing, and all groups have to except certain standards of behavious, and the fact they can't harbor those whom catter to those behavious...not matter the position. But it has to be consistant and honest, and while I feel that the idealistic way of doing things, I know with the UN leadership we have it's practical impossible. They have to apply even standards and they have to enforce them. Otherwise this is all just a big joke.
     
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  7. Rick_Michael

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    #287

    No one is as active as extreme muslims.

    I'm expecting someone to say 'except America'...perhaps yo-yo.
     
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  8. yo-yo

    yo-yo Well-Known Member

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    #288
    The truth hurts doesn't it? :(

    Tally up the number of civilians the US army has killed in Iraq and Afghanistan... wait that's right... when we bomb and murder people it's all excused....
     
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  9. Rick_Michael

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    #289
    You're so predicatable yo-yo. Well, if you want to call the US a terrorist, you got to admit we get the job done. I can't help that the first Roosevelt made it a standard that we set the standard. Yes, there's a bit of arrogance taken in American leadership...for sometime now.

    While the situations there don't appeal to me in certain ways, I know that I'd rather have someone that's a bit aggressive at foreign policy than a 'I don't know what to do' individual such as yourself. Call it moderation.
     
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  10. Rick_Michael

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    #290
    Sometimes I think people on this forum want us to do this?

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  11. Liminal

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    #291
    Found this so far (see the "Hamas softens sharia push, hints at referendum" article on the page):

    http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/paperchase/2006_01_30_indexarch.php

     
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  12. MaxCage

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    #292
    Dude? All prayers for anyone who respects life, and cares about human beings as himself.

    All prayers for the people who'd stand up for the deceased and brutually harmed victims.

    But, prayers for Israel? No, I've got nothing against Jews or the way that they are. Just that, it aches when they bite! Just waiting and hoping that Peace would prevail there.
     
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  13. yo-yo

    yo-yo Well-Known Member

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    #293
    Probably because I've made it very clear, I refuse to support the murders of any innocent people, regardless of who the murderrer be.

    That depends on what you consider the job to be. Did the US get capture the "WMD" they claim Iraq had... or as republicans would have us believe, did we fail and they're now located somewhere else, still in the hands of bad people? We certainly haven't brought any stability or prosperity to Iraq.. so I know you can't be talking about that either.

    If the job was to prevent further terror attacks on the US.... only time will tell. And since the government themselves have said the next is only a 'matter of time'... well I'll let you be the judge ;)

    We should have hunted down and killed the person we claim to be responsible for what started our "defense"... Bin Laden. That would have been a good start...
     
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  14. MaxCage

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    #294
    I condemn the attacks on Lebanon by Israel, myself. Never knew they'd do such a thing!

    Well, they've been fighting with Palestine who let them shelter in their land after 1942, after the outrageous events of Anti-Semitism by Hitler.

    I think, this people should learn, a be a bit grateful.
     
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  15. Rick_Michael

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    #295

    Accept when it comes to oddity of supporting Kim's right to have a nuke (or in your perception NK right to defend itself), given kim kills innocent people all the time. Your arguements are inconsistant, although I do believe you really think the above.
     
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    #296
    Is this a presentation or a point? I think neither. Your arguement isn't geared towards my thoughts, so it's useless.


    Maybe or maybe not. I'm not in the hands of all the intelligience, nor do I have third eye.


    You know, the US sanction imposed on Iraq were the worst things we've ever done to Iraq; literally killing millions of children (but for some reason I think that's in back of your mind or not there). That was mostly a Clinton decesion, but the blood on most politicians isn't clean. I can't speculate Iraq's future, but I tend to think a more 'democratic' government has a better chance...more so if it's friendly.

    Isn't a joking matter. It's bad enough that innocent people die elsewhere, in that you use a wink as to America's future.
     
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  17. yo-yo

    yo-yo Well-Known Member

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    #297
    Rick - I don't support Kim having nukes at all. But that's for a different thread...
     
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    yo-yo Well-Known Member

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    #298
    No, the joke is that some people actually believe we've succeeded in stopping terrorists from targeting us.
     
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    #299
    That's because someone posted quote of NK directly threatening America. Till then you were asking why not....
     
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  20. yo-yo

    yo-yo Well-Known Member

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    #300
    A country's right to defend itself is not related to supporting a leader killing his own people. How you come up with this I don't know... they're two very different things. :cool:
     
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