Why Google PR Update Means Nothing

Discussion in 'Google' started by Sem-Advance, Jul 15, 2006.

  1. #1
    Okay first the update is still going on...

    but lets take a look at things

    As a reminder, Google uses a distributed system so not all datacenters are updated concurrently..

    Take a look at Google

    Home page still at 10

    http://www.google.com

    News at 4

    http://news.google.com/nwshp?hl=en&tab=wn&q=

    Images at 0

    http://images.google.com/imghp?hl=en&tab=ni&ned=us&q=

    So as you can see they are not persecuting anyone here,, as their own pages show different scores than as should be.

    Now a run over to Yahoo

    Home page at 9 as always since Google switched things up////

    http://www.yahoo.com/

    Cant use images as it is in frameset so

    finance at 8

    http://finance.yahoo.com/

    And being it is a new subdomain and service from Yahoo and further proof that Google is slow as molasses, in crawling, indexing and displaying results I present:

    Yahoo Answers is at 0

    http://answers.yahoo.com/_ylc=X3oDM...wOQRfcwMzOTY1NDUxMDMEc2VjA2ZwBHNsawNwbGluaw--

    :cool:
    google rocks!

    Meanwhile over at MSN

    Home page at 9

    http://www.msn.com/

    News at 0

    http://search.msn.com/news/results.aspx?FORM=NRIR&q=

    Images at 0

    http://search.msn.com/images/results.aspx?FORM=MSNH&q=


    Hmmm

    However Autos is a 7

    http://autos.msn.com/default.aspx

    As is Careers at 7

    http://careers.msn.com/

    So what does all this mean??

    In the grand scheme of things PR is useless to us...we can do little to effect it and we are at Googles mercy at being led to believe what we see is the truth when in fact it isn't.

    As a reminder PR is updated daily...but you must work for Google to see this.

    For the rest of us we get to see it once a quarter.....see you in October!!
     
    Sem-Advance, Jul 15, 2006 IP
  2. emz

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    #2
    The reason those pages are returning page rank 0 is becasue there are session specific variables on the URLs making no URL consistant enough to determine a page rank... http://images.google.com/imghp?hl=en&tab=ni&ned=us&q=
     
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  3. Sem-Advance

    Sem-Advance Notable Member

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    #3
    makes sense but I believe I saw them both with PR previously

    Will have to keep an eye
     
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  4. KalvinB

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  5. Sem-Advance

    Sem-Advance Notable Member

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    #5
    Not in my toolbar.....

    Applies virtual wrench to Google Toolbar in hopes of fixing whatever issue it has....

    :D
     
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  6. evolving

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    #6
    does the toolbar reflect the exact google pr ?
     
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  7. noppid

    noppid gunnin' for the quota

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    #7
    It reflects a level of worth, for entertainment, yet to be determined and certainly over valued.
     
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  8. Sem-Advance

    Sem-Advance Notable Member

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  9. muthuis

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  10. PaulJames

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    #10
    your all seeing results from different data centres, as the update is still going on the dc are still coming to harmony,lol
     
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  11. rlynch

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    #11
    try the correct links and ull see the correct PR
     
    rlynch, Jul 18, 2006 IP
  12. MattUK

    MattUK Notable Member

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    #12
    I agree though for slightly different reasons.

    Firstly, it's not an update. Google are just showing us what they already know and have been using for the past three months. It makes me laugh when I read posts about how peoples PR jumped to a PR5 and they're sitting scathing their head as to why their SERPS haven't improved. Why? Because NOTHING has actually changed except the little green bar at the top of their browser.

    Secondly, PR actually isn't important in itself. Google is a PR10, yet they don't rank for every keyword under the sun. There are countless examples of lower PR pages outranking highr PR pages for the same keyword. PR is just a by-product of good rankings. To rank well you need good links for quality relevant pages. What do these pages have? Usually good PR if they're on a quality site. So in improving your rankings through good links with keyword relevant anchor text, you're also passing good PR to your site.

    Not that this makes any difference unless you're selling links on your site though ;)
     
    MattUK, Jul 18, 2006 IP
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  13. klown

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    #13
    I agree with that, however for me, i just started SEO and when my site jumped from nothing to 3, it was very good for me. It showed that what i was doing made some kind of a difference.
     
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  14. MattUK

    MattUK Notable Member

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    Agreed, I guess it's a pointer that your kind of heading in the right direction. ;)
     
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  15. GULLIVER

    GULLIVER Well-Known Member

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    #15
    Well I think that PR still means something. At least it shows that Google recongnized that page and gave some rank to it.
    I agree that given rank by google in toolbar or wherever isn't adequate to the rank in SERPs
     
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  16. rlynch

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    #16
    why would they rank for every keyword....

    google doesnt write content or provide services that are related to every topic imaginable

    however they do rank 1st for "search the internet," which is relevant to their site



     
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  17. nddb

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    #17
    PR is just an indicator of what's going on. All it tells you is how google perceives your page. You can try to improve backlinks and such, and if PR goes up, you're doing well.

    But it's so slow between public updates, that it's pretty hard to base anything off PR movement, except # of backlinks. It's little a little peak at what's going on in google's head. I'm not sure why it's always the subject of heated discussions about it's worth... it is what it is... vaguely useful, but definitely not worth arguing over.
     
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  18. emega

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    #18
    I can't stand it when people bash page rank. Page rank is very important- it is a measure of the link power of a web page. Obviously google.com with a page rank of ten will not rank first in the serps for "sex" as google is not a porn site. However, the point is that the pages showing on the first page for the keyword "sex" will of course have high page ranks, as "sex" is a very competetive keyword. Ranking is a combination of how optimized your site is for a keyword, the links in your meta tags, the content on your site, and of course you PAGE RANK. If it does not have page rank than it won't rank for anything competetive unless the web page is part of an existing domain that has page rank(i.e. domain/sex.com might be able to rank well for "sex" if domain.com has a high page rank)
    Page rank is a measure of the importance of a page. So even if pagerank0.com was optimized just as well as pagerank8site.com for the keyword "sex", pagerank0site.com would not stand a chance in competeing with pagerank8site.com
     
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  19. MattUK

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    #19
    links from quality relevant pages + keyword rich anchor text = high rankings + Pagerank

    and not,

    Pagerank = high rankings
     
    MattUK, Aug 1, 2006 IP
  20. Correctus

    Correctus Straight Edge

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    #20
    Google Sole controls its PR so it knows who deserves what or to say, it decides who deserves what

    IT
     
    Correctus, Aug 1, 2006 IP