“Death to the enemies of Islam!” the counterdemonstrators cried, encircling the women

How can "no muslim in general supporting this behavior" when Muslim clerics actually make the abuse of woman part of law? Why don't you tell that to these women under Sharia law who can be legally raped, and the government refuses to help them? In fact tells them they are breaking the law to resist? Tell that to women who are held hostage in their own home, and cannot legally step out without their husbands permission. Why are you trying so hard to protect the abuse of women? It's not very hard to see it's wrong. You don't want to just say, "It's wrong." Instead you want to compare it to everything else, and pretend as if it's somehow normal or OK. Now you want to say it's somehow OK because in Christian countries, in the US, sometimes women get raped. The DIFFERENCE is that the law does not condone or tolerate the abuse of women here. The law here doesn't say oh you are a women therefore you can't have many rights, and oh you are a man therefore you are allowed to do this or that.

 

yeah that's the point. in a truly democratic society governments fall for way less than that.

 

What was this ,, a dream a story, a rant what ? any sources any background?

 

DIDN'T I SAY IN VERY BEGINNING THAT SUCH INDIVIDUAL THINGS DON'T REPRESENT THE WHOLE NATION OR SOME SPECIFIC RELIGION

OBVIOUSLY ITS WRONG TO MARRY A 8 year old kid with someone
NO MAN CAN FORCE HER WIFE TO FULLFILL HER DESIRE

but you know its a duty of a wife to fulfill her husband desire..cause if she refuse the man will go for some other women ..and in the end who gonna suffer?? that women...So isnt it better to give her husband what his right is instead of complaining later that he go for other womens

And I guess there is no such restriction in ISLAM that a women cant go outside without her husband..she can go ..but in veil..now if you guyz start debating on veil than there are some traditions which we have to follow..
like what if one day a women come up with an idea that i will not wear clothes..its my freedom right..what will you do then ???
So to prevent such things there are some measures that aer necessary to be taken

but things like marrying children or dont let a women go outside if needed..is not right.
THEY ARE WRONG

happy now

Here you go dear
You are comparing ISLAM with the sinners and criminal or individuals

 

speak for yourself.

it seems the restrictions put on women are simply there to help men not give into urges. they are told to cover up so they don't temp men, they are told to give in to demands of sex because the man can't be trusted to keep his dick in his pants and they are told to not go outside alone because men can't be trusted to not pounce on them.

Heres a radical thought, why don't the men just start taking responsibility for themselves and exercise a bit of self control... then maybe they won't have to oppress women.

I would suggest that if a man is liable to instantly be unfaithful to his wife on the grounds that she doesn't want sex the problem lies with him, not with her, and it's certainly not grounds to make what is essentially rape legal.

 

Seoz, you are talking about the old testament. When jesus came things things changed just a bit didnt they. Jesus never said you can rape your wife against her will, jesus never said you can slap her to discipline her did he? Jesus never said you should treat women as slaves.
You can also look here to see that in the catholic faith that both man and woman should be submissive to each other. Have you ever seen a catholic husband beat his wife and force her to have sex with him and everyone else in their religious community stand aside and say nothing? When those kids were being molested by those priests most regular catholics were outraged at what was happening to these poor kids and even critisized the vaticans decision to keep it out of the limelight. No religion should ever treat a human being like a slave whether its a wife or a husband.
Your wife is your soulmate not some piece of cattle or property to buy and sell her or do what you wish with her. When someone does this to his wife they have basically lost his soul and heart. Cold is how i would describe someone who does this.

Would any of you here no matter what religion you are like it if your mom was raped by your dad????????????????? This is sick for anyone to ever condone or justify this behavior.

SEOZ, you make marriage seem like bootcamp dude. Its her duty????????? If the freaking guy wants someone to fullfill his duty then let him hire a prostitute or a maid with benefits. If a man really loves and respects his wife as his soulmate and life partner he would be understanding. Plus you say if she doesnt give it to him he will go and get it elsewhere?????????? Let me ask you this question MAN to MAN. The kind of husband we both have been talking about, would you consider this guy a real man? Would you even consider him to be part of the human race? What woman would want to live with a lowlife that will cheat on her in the blink of an eye if she happens to not feel like having sex that day? Dude use some common sense. If i saw my dad do that to my mom i would go ballistic.
Tell me right now if you saw your dad doing this would you be ticked off or not?

http://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/d006htPapalPreacher_Obedience.htm

Is an uproar or protest against Fr. Cantalamessa’s commentary impending? It doesn’t look like it. In fact, this conclusion of the papal preacher in ways just repeats the teaching of John Paul II in his Apostolic Letter Mulieris dignitatem (August 15, 1988). In it JPII considered that the verse in question “Wives be subject to your husband” would be rendered effectively null by the previous verse 5: 21 “Be subject to one another out of reverence for Christ.” This would be the governing verse of the passage, Wojtyla affirms, so that anything regarding the “subjection of woman to man in marriage must be understood in the sense of a ‘mutual subjection’ of both ‘out of reverence for Christ’” (n. 24). With this “Gospel innovation,” the authority of the husband over the wife in marriage should be set aside.

 

Agreeing with what you said and with StoX too ..my firiend
a women shouldnt treat like this but my dear realities are far more cruel than facts..your dad or mine dad or any single man in the world..if he got the chance to have sex with some women ..he will gonna do it blv me..99 percent..

You are right that such man dont deserve any good thing or he cant be a human ,,,,but facts cant be change with emotions bro..

recently we heard a news bout some sick sob father that rapes her own daughter for 24 years
read here = http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/americas/03/30/colombia.incest.charges/

why do you think the girl wont report this for so long??
this sick news shows us two things..
one is lust and power of sex feeling
second is fear//
that girl only report this once she sure that her father dont gonan do anythin at the age of 79..
the man wasnt muslim nor he was interested in Islam..so does this mean that we start targeting Christianity that this religion cant protect such events and such events can take place in that religion..???

NO....we cant mix individual approaches with some religion dear...

so why do u think any women/wife who is raped can report anything like that?

This is the reason that every religion urges men and women to get marries once they got puberty. Why ?? to stop such sick events Thats the reason that every religion urges men and women to get marries once reach the puberty
as sex is almost uncontrollable...
And blv me dear....every men ..your dad..,mine dad...ME..YOU...every single man...in the world gonna do it ,,wheneva he got the chance,,as men is the most unfaithful animal of the world.

 

Seoz, you still don't get it. It is Islamic law - Sharia law, that is condoning the rape and abuse of these women. THAT's why people are relating this to Islam. Does that make sense?

Sharia court represents Islam, right? Here is a little girl punished to death by Sharia law because she was brutally raped.

There is a long list of women that have been, and continue to be, brutalized by Sharia law. These women that are protesting are very brave to do so, and I hope they will help bring about change. If you don't believe they should be treated that way, please support them by signing the petition below.

Read More: http://www.care2.com/causes/womens-rights/blog/afghan-women/

Sign The Petition: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/to-president-karzai-withdraw-new-shia-family-law

 

Do you guys see the damage inflicted on some muslim men?
They can't differentiate between what is morally right and wrong!

Here we have a fundamental difference with Islam. How can the West accept Islam as a religion that is good for all people in their society?
If Islam demands those laws imposed on women, how can our societies pretend it is not a danger for us? May be they are not a danger today, but what if one day the muslims become in numbers more than the non muslims in a western country and decide to impose on everyone Islamic law?
You can see how seoz fanatically defends what we consider a crime here - spousal rape, and house confinement. Imagine having thousands like him among us. I am not saying seoz is a bad guy, but his support for those laws is no good for sure.

 

Please get that clear in your mind, Islam does not need your acception , Islam has it rules and Muslims abide by them weather you like it or not does not matter .

Quran Says

 

Actually it does matter. In countries where islam is accepted as the arbiter of right and wrong people can get away with the what it instructs them to do, like hanging gays and murdering eloping couples, but if you were to carry out what you book instructs you to do in countries with real morals, such as England, you would find yourself in prison, whether you, or you god, likes it or not does not matter.

 

That's why I educate people when we talk about religion on Islam. I just tell them the truth and the Facts they see themselves on the TV and Internet.

I feel sorry for you and the people like you who believe Selling of little girls as young as 8 year old for money, Spousal Rape and House Confinment of Women is Moraly Right and coming from God. More and more muslims I know desagree with these practices..... Soon as muslims get more educated will be turning away from Islam.

 

selling of girls ? where does Islam support that ? just because you had a dream about it last night does not make it related to Islam in any way!

and neither does Islam orders the confinement of women in houses? don't you see Iranian women going to universities and working in offices ? but there are some restrictions Hijab and decent dress is required

and about Muslims turning away from Islam: You would be disappointed to know that in fact more and more people are turning towards Islam
CNN WORLD NEWS: Islam is the fastest-growing religion
http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9704/14/egypt.i...

Islam is Fastest Growing Religion in United States:
http://www.defendamerica.mil/articles/a1...

Times on line: Thousands of british people convert to islam every year:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk...

Why European women are turning to Islam:
http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/1227/p01s0...

Washington Post: Islam Luring More Latinos
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn...

 

He is dreaming of some ome selling girls and naming it Islam!

And those women who turns to Islam must be "stupid" !

 

and you must have heard about Yvonne Ridley, Sunday express reporter who was captured by Taliban and converted to Islam

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yvonne_Ridley
http://www.yvonneridley.org/
may be Taliban did some black magic spell on her and she converted despite knowing how 'barbaric' they really were!

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome

 

A lot of Iranians live in LA.....I know of one guy who will never go back, the last time he was there was more than 20 years ago.
Actually most of the Iranians in US would not move back to Iran probably 99.99% of them.

They consider themselves muslims, but why they hate the Islamic regime in Iran?
And the Iranian women who say are muslim, but by the way they dress once they leave Iran no one would never say they were muslim.

If they like Islam so much why they are not dressing themselves like the women do in Iran or Saudi Arabia?
As a matter of fact not just the Iranian women, but most of the muslim women don't want to dress according to Islamic law. Why is that?

You may say thousands are converting to Islam (seems that that makes you feel good), but many times more are giving up Islamic not just the dress code, but also their social behavior once they leave their Islamic countries.


One could be amazed in the West to learn that TALKING TO A WOMAN IN A MUSLIM COUNTRY COULD SPELL BIG TROUBLES FOR BOTH THE MAN AND THE WOMAN IF THAT IS DONE WITHOUT THE PERMITION OF THE HUSBAND OR THE FATHER OR THE BROTHER OF THE WOMAN.

Why should somebody impose on himself such a "code" of conduct, why should he convert? What good does that give to humanity?

You guys live the way you like it. I don't want you to believe in what I believe. Best of luck.

 

If you are interested in knowing that WHY Islam has put in place certain restrictions then you need to listen to some Islamic Scholar, they can clear up any thoughts and misunderstandings that you have

Listen to Dr Zakir http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1irxNIDrxwo&feature=related about women rights in Islam (related part starts at 27th minute)

 

Smart men created those gods and religions to fool their less smarter counterparts.

And there can be more than one god too

 

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