Domain Legal advice

Discussion in 'Legal Issues' started by SonnyCooL, Apr 17, 2009.

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  1. #1
    Few day ago i run a classifieds website by the name
    , today i received a email from Managing Director of
    , he requested me to contact back asap regarding my website content and
    ....
    So what should i do ? should i contact them ? Should i shut down my site ? Should i just ignore .......

    Advice needed ....
     
    SonnyCooL, Apr 17, 2009 IP
  2. rbucich

    rbucich Peon

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    A friend experienced a similar situation and he sought legal advice. The bottom line was it would cost way too much money to defend his right to the domain in court and there is always the possibility of losing.

    Since the names are so similar, it seems unlikely that you would receive a favorable judgment so I would suggest responding to them and offering to sell them the domain. This is a cheaper alternative for them as well since it would be cheaper than seeking legal assistance.
     
    rbucich, Apr 17, 2009 IP
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    hostlonestar Peon

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    If the name is not a registered trademark there is absolutely nothing they can do.
     
    hostlonestar, Apr 17, 2009 IP
  4. SonnyCooL

    SonnyCooL Peon

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    impossible they can register Motor Trader right ?
     
    SonnyCooL, Apr 17, 2009 IP
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    browntwn Illustrious Member

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    Why would it be impossible?
     
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  6. SonnyCooL

    SonnyCooL Peon

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    i means trade mark it cause is generic, u can't register orange or apple (only on gadget but not on APPLE pie, apple fruit), so no one can use the word apple for fruit ...
     
    SonnyCooL, Apr 17, 2009 IP
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    They could register anything.. Whether is stands up is another issue entirely..

    As for the email, if they offered to buy and you want to sell it, then find a price you both like.. Otherwise ignore it.. If they are serious about 'defending' their brand they'll sue you for real.. Then all you have to do is release the domain.. But until they spend the money to have a real lawyer get involved, these are just hollow threats..
     
    UncleBS, Apr 17, 2009 IP
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    gsv13 Well-Known Member

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    first reply back and ask the matter is detail.
     
    gsv13, Apr 17, 2009 IP
  9. Dave Zan

    Dave Zan Well-Known Member

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    And pay any money damages if applicable, depending on how the OP might be
    sued or so.

    To the OP: there's a couple of things you ought to know. Unless I'm mistaken,
    it seems both you and the other party are in Malaysia.

    It's been stated like a gazillion times, but registration is not required for a TM
    to exist unless said so by that jurisdiction. Some countries like the U.S. and
    the U.K. allow use of the word, phrase, logo, etc. in commerce to become a
    mark even without registration, although registration does give more benefits
    to their potential holders.

    Some U.S. cities like Philadelphia require dog owners to get a license for their
    dog. If a Philadelphia-based man doesn't get one for his dog, does that mean
    his pet isn't a dog?

    I took whatever spare time I have to search, and here's what it appears your
    local trademark office defines a trademark:

    http://www.mipc.gov.my/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=16&itemid=17

    And from Motor Trader Malaysia's site:

    http://www.motortrader.com.my/Terms_of_use.asp

    Now this is just an unqualified layperson's opinion, but it seems...seems...that
    the other party is using the words as a mark for an online magazine regarding
    cars. It's true one can't use a generic or common word as a trademark for its
    generic or common definition, but it can become one if used to "distinguish the
    good and services of one trader" in its distinctive sense.

    The keyword there is distinctive. And again, it seems that's what the party is
    doing here.

    It's debatable whether they indeed have a trademark or not. But that's solely
    for the Malaysian intellectual property experts to decide...short of the party in
    question filing a dispute in whatever applicable resolution system.

    It's probably not an issue for you if you can afford losing the domain and face
    any potential penalties should you ignore it, they proceed, and you're not in
    their area. But that's up to you to decide.

    OTOH, that letter you got is quite polite. It doesn't even suggest you hand it
    over, although other people could always interpret it that way.

    If you're not confident handling it yourself, then seek advice from a trademark
    lawyer in your area and/or, perhaps, that in Malaysia. No online forum is going
    to authoritatively tell you what to do, though you can take whatever value
    you want from this and decide on your own what your next move will be.
     
    Dave Zan, Apr 17, 2009 IP
  10. SonnyCooL

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    Thanks, seeking my adviser this coming Wednesday, sad case :(
     
    SonnyCooL, Apr 18, 2009 IP
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    Why don't you just call them and see what they want ? Get the phone number, call the guy direct and get right to it. At the end of the conversation, tell him you will get back to him, and then come on here with some information and ask.
    Right now it's all speculation because you have no idea what he wants.

    Check the trademark, if they have it be prepared, if they don't..be prepared. If you knew, and still registered the domain, hoping to grab a little traffic in the confusion from surfers...well the jig may be up, but at least contact them and see what the situation is.
     
    hmansfield, Apr 18, 2009 IP
  12. SonnyCooL

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    Hello Motor Trader is generic keyword and excellence for google search (read above post)....
     
    SonnyCooL, Apr 18, 2009 IP
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    Dave Zan Well-Known Member

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    Generic for what, though?

    Probably a common misconception around here is a generic word is generic for
    any description. A word you probably see, read or hear every other day is not
    generic for whatever scenario other than what it's normally defined or known
    for by many people around.

    The words shell, tide and apple are generic for the mollusk, the waves and the
    fruit. But are they generic for oil, detergent and computer products as lots of
    people see and/or buy every other day somewhere?

    Don't make that mistake countless others have, especially if someone has put
    in a lot of money to market that product or service and is successful at it.
     
    Dave Zan, Apr 18, 2009 IP
  14. SonnyCooL

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    Yes you right, Motor Trader = Me, i'm a register and certify Motor Trader in my country ....
     
    SonnyCooL, Apr 18, 2009 IP
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    But you can't just stick a flag in something and call it yours if another company has already branded their business with it.
    All we are saying is to check the standing of this term in relationship to this company so that you will know where you stand legally.

    If you just stick with the attitude that "I found it so it's mine." you are going to get destroyed by Lawyers who will make your life miserable just for wasting their time.
     
    hmansfield, Apr 18, 2009 IP
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    this seem confusing and complicated. i suggest seeking a lawyer if u wanna protect ur domain.
     
    bunbunx2, Apr 22, 2009 IP
  17. SonnyCooL

    SonnyCooL Peon

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    case already bring in to wipo :)
    let see how it turn out :)
    my case is very similar to whatcar trademark issue, so hopefully the result will turn out positive :)
     
    SonnyCooL, May 2, 2009 IP
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    you could give him the domain for some cash
     
    bluemouse2, May 2, 2009 IP
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    cause they nvr offer and i can't offer (this consider bad faith) hahahah ..
     
    SonnyCooL, May 2, 2009 IP
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    If you are already in WIPO action then stop posting her about it unless you want this thread to be used as evidence against you.
     
    browntwn, May 2, 2009 IP
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