“Death to the enemies of Islam!” the counterdemonstrators cried, encircling the women

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by Truth777, Apr 15, 2009.

  1. #1
    “We want our rights!” one of the women shouted, turning to face them. “We want equality!”

    The women ran to the bus and dived inside as it rumbled away, with the men smashing the taillights and banging on the sides.

    “Whores!”

    ............“Whenever a man wants sex, we cannot refuse,” said Fatima Husseini, 26, one of the marchers. “It means a woman is a kind of property, to be used by the man in any way that he wants.”.............

    One provision makes it illegal for a woman to resist her husband’s sexual advances. A second provision requires a husband’s permission for a woman to work outside the home or go to school. And a third makes it illegal for a woman to refuse to “make herself up” or “dress up” if that is what her husband wants.


    ................“Death to the enemies of Islam!” the counterdemonstrators cried, encircling the women. “We want Islamic law!”...............


    Afterward, when the demonstrators had left, one of the madrasa’s senior clerics came outside. Asked about the dispute, he said it was between professionals and nonprofessionals; that is, between the clerics, who understood the Koran and Islamic law, and the women calling for the law’s repeal who did not......


    Who is the enemy of Islam?

    If Islam is the best religion why women are treated like slaves from their husbands?
     
    Truth777, Apr 15, 2009 IP
  2. Polite teen

    Polite teen Guest

    Messages:
    591
    Likes Received:
    9
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #2
    they are not treated as slaves, they are supposed to obey the husband as he is the leader of the ship of family.

    228. .......And they (women) have rights (over their husbands as regards living expenses, etc.) similar (to those of their husbands) over them (as regards obedience and respect, etc.) to what is reasonable, but men have a degree (of responsibility) over them. And Allâh is All-Mighty, All-Wise.
     
    Polite teen, Apr 16, 2009 IP
  3. stOx

    stOx Notable Member

    Messages:
    6,426
    Likes Received:
    130
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    230
    #3
    Polite teen, are you saying it's acceptable to force someone to have sex against their will?
     
    stOx, Apr 16, 2009 IP
  4. cientificoloco

    cientificoloco Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    1,742
    Likes Received:
    47
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    110
    #4
    and this "degree of responsibility" gives them the right to rape? how wise
     
    cientificoloco, Apr 16, 2009 IP
  5. Truth777

    Truth777 Peon

    Messages:
    519
    Likes Received:
    12
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #5
    In Islam, the fathers often sell their daughters for money. Many times the husbands who bought their wifes are much older than the girls they buy.

    And somebody was making here advertisement that thousands have been converting to Islam.
    Who in his right mind would accept such a treatment of women as being from God?

    This is totally inhumane and antidemocratic.
     
    Truth777, Apr 16, 2009 IP
  6. ChaosTrivia

    ChaosTrivia Active Member

    Messages:
    2,093
    Likes Received:
    40
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    65
    #6
    The abuse of women in the islamic countries is a result of their inferior culture, and not of the islamic religion.
    The holy books can be interpreted to mean whatever the people in charge want them to mean. This is valid for all books in all religions. There are islamic countries where women have (almost) western rights. Turkey, for example.
     
    ChaosTrivia, Apr 16, 2009 IP
  7. stOx

    stOx Notable Member

    Messages:
    6,426
    Likes Received:
    130
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    230
    #7
    Turkey is a secular republic.
     
    stOx, Apr 16, 2009 IP
  8. kevluigi

    kevluigi Member

    Messages:
    66
    Likes Received:
    1
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    43
    #8
    Please try not to mix Islam with tribal culture. It is highly insensitive and wholly unacademic.
     
    kevluigi, Apr 16, 2009 IP
  9. stOx

    stOx Notable Member

    Messages:
    6,426
    Likes Received:
    130
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    230
    #9
    in what way does Islam, or any religion, differ from tribalism?
     
    stOx, Apr 16, 2009 IP
  10. Truth777

    Truth777 Peon

    Messages:
    519
    Likes Received:
    12
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #10
    Where are the muslim scholars to explain what is this in Islam that makes the lives of all muslims - man and women better than those of the other religions.

    Most muslims that left their countries don't want to go back. What does that tell us? Lack of democracy in the first place at least in their countries of origin.
    I know one Iranian guy, a few palestinians, and two afghanis no one of them wants to go back to their countries. Though they insist that Islam is the right religion they don't want to go back to live in their countries with their Islamic culture.
     
    Truth777, Apr 16, 2009 IP
  11. Obamanation

    Obamanation Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    8,016
    Likes Received:
    237
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    180
    #11
    With rules like that, I'd say they would mostly be men who had a hard time getting laid in the non-muslim world. It follows then, that tribal Muslim social gatherings are probably mostly sausage festivals, which would also explain why some of these men are so pissed off and/or suicidal. The answer? Hookers. Lots and lots of hookers. The US government should withdraw troops from the tribal regions of Afghanistan, and instead spend the money to flood the region with hookers. The worst skaggy, elderly, crusty, smelly, disease infested, drug addicted, crotch rotten, toothless hookers would probably due nicely, since they all look the same in a Berka. Just a thought on how to save some of our tax payer $$$ so we can spend more money at entitlements.
     
    Obamanation, Apr 16, 2009 IP
  12. seoz

    seoz Banned

    Messages:
    229
    Likes Received:
    2
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #12
    I am in no means a scholar but mixing some bad thing with a specific religion isn't justice at first place.

    There are Christian priest involves in molesting children..there are hindu religious leader involve in blackmailing and having sex forcefully with women who come to them for the solution to there problems..there are those islami maulanas involve in having sex with small girls

    the point is .... bad people are everywhere and you can't conditioned such thing with any specific religion..

    Islam even permits that if a women don't want or feels ok to feed her new born children, her husband is restricted to make arrangement to hire some other women who give such service like guardians.

    Islam has declared that you can get to heaven by just serving your parents especially your mother good..so the religion who give so much importance to a mother ..a women..how can it be so cruel with women..

    Even in Christianity there are verses in holy books that can be claimed against women like

    Ephesians 5:23 is an example of a verse that Promise Keepers, and other fundamentalists, use to oppose women's equality. It says "the man is the head of the woman, just as Christ also is the head of the church. . . . [J]ust as the church is subject to Christ, so must women be to their husbands in everything."

    Based on this teaching, Promise Keepers leader Bill Bright, who heads the Campus Crusade for Christ, has said men are "the head of the household and women are responders."

    Other Bible verses also promote invidious sexism. Paul teaches at I Timothy 2:11-15: "Let a woman learn in silence with all submissiveness. I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over men; she is to keep silent. . . . Yet woman will be saved through bearing children. . . ."


    So do you think Christianity is bad??

    NO...Its just those sick mind perverts who make out anything from holy books for there advantage and benefits. And they are in every religion,...they just show some verse and skip what was the scenario in which this verse occurs or what exactly is after or before this verse..its like i was saying "hey kill people who kill other people" and some person just pick "Kill people" and show to other people that i was saying that "Kill people"..


    One more cause of such events is the illiteracy among people in those poor countries....there religious leader shoes them come specific part of verse and they say amen and accept it blindly without even confirming what God say after this verse or before this verse..They are like goats..and follow there religious leader with the ultimate stupidity,,,

    All religions are from same GOD so please stop declaring some bad thing with some specific religion...
     
    seoz, Apr 16, 2009 IP
  13. Truth777

    Truth777 Peon

    Messages:
    519
    Likes Received:
    12
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #13
    seoz,
    You don't want to face the Truth, that women in Islam are deprived from basic freedoms. And Rights!
     
    Truth777, Apr 17, 2009 IP
  14. Rebecca

    Rebecca Prominent Member

    Messages:
    5,458
    Likes Received:
    349
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    325
    Articles:
    14
    #14
    The difference, is that the catholic church isn't condoning this behavior. Priests are not molesting children, and saying that it's the christian thing to do, and G-d wants them to do it. The catholic church doesn't control the government, and any priest found molesting a child will be prosecuted. For the victim, the law will be on their side, the community will be on their side, but not so with Sharia law. Read this again and imagine being a woman under Sharia law,
    Is it better, for the sake of political correctness, that we should look the other way? It's not right to treat these women as second-class citizens. They are treating women as property, BECAUSE of Islamic law. If they have interpreted it wrong, all Muslims worldwide need to stand up against the clerics to help these women.
     
    Rebecca, Apr 17, 2009 IP
  15. seoz

    seoz Banned

    Messages:
    229
    Likes Received:
    2
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #15
    similarly no muslim in general supporting this behavior :)
    You know in usa after evry 10 sec a women got raped..the torture on women is much higher in christian countries but no one stand against it..do it means that you lot support it ??



    the problem appears here bro..
    have you read those bible verses

    Ephesians 5:23 is an example of a verse that Promise Keepers, and other fundamentalists, use to oppose women's equality. It says "the man is the head of the woman, just as Christ also is the head of the church. . . . [J]ust as the church is subject to Christ, so must women be to their husbands in everything."

    Other Bible verses also promote invidious sexism. Paul teaches at I Timothy 2:11-15: "Let a woman learn in silence with all submissiveness. I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over men; she is to keep silent. . . . Yet woman will be saved through bearing children. . . ."

    but you aren't targeting Christianity ..even i showed you the verses..
    :)
    Exact same thing is in Islam ...then why only target this religion

    If you have already decided that Muslim or Islam or some specific religion is bad then no one can change your mind..
    :)
     
    seoz, Apr 17, 2009 IP
  16. Truth777

    Truth777 Peon

    Messages:
    519
    Likes Received:
    12
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #16
    Women in Christianity have equal rights to men.
    Women in Christianity are not sold for money.
    They can go out without male escort.
    They can go to school, and work without male escort.
    Christianity is much better for women. Gives them much better life. 99.999% of the Christian women would never accept the Islamic way of life.

    Women in Christianity do have to be obedient to their husbands, but that is by free will.
     
    Truth777, Apr 17, 2009 IP
  17. seoz

    seoz Banned

    Messages:
    229
    Likes Received:
    2
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #17
    so u mean to those bible verses are fake :)
    now it depends that how much you are sticking to your religious book here.

    ----------------------
    Read these
    ----------------------
    Saint Trotolian says:

    "Woman is the Satan's pathway to a man's heart. Woman pushes man to the "Cursed Tree." Woman violates God's laws and distorts his picture (i.e. man's picture).

    Wieth Knudesen, a Danish writer, illustrated the woman's status in the middle ages saying:

    "According to the Catholic faith, which considered the woman as a second class citizen, very little care and attention was given to her."

    We can read article 217 of the French law that states:

    "A married woman has no right to grant, transfer, bond, own with or without payment, without her husband's participation in the sale contract, or his written consent to it, regardless of whether the marriage contract stipulated that there should be a complete separation between the husband's and wife's possessions and ownership of various items."

    There is no right of divorce according to Catholicism, at least in western countries.
    --------------

    I can present many other things too but the thing again come to point...
    BAD PEOPLE ARE IN EVERY RELIGION bro
    dont target some specific religion :)
     
    seoz, Apr 17, 2009 IP
  18. Truth777

    Truth777 Peon

    Messages:
    519
    Likes Received:
    12
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #18

    I mean you're twisting and distorting things...... and are lying to yourself.

    You're comparing Islam with Christan sinners and criminals. Christiniaty in Its nature is a non violent religion.

    Read the New Testament 10 times and think while you reading it and you'll see the great difference between Christianity and Islam.
     
    Truth777, Apr 17, 2009 IP
  19. Truth777

    Truth777 Peon

    Messages:
    519
    Likes Received:
    12
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #19
    If Saudi Arabia has Islamic government or if the clerics have a big say in the country's policies why they permit marriages of 8 year old girls who don't know almost nothing about life yet?

    What is the benefit of an 8 year old girl to mary a 47 year old man? Why the Islamic clerics permith such crimes against children?

    http://news.clipta.com/Eight_year_old_bride__vNzU0NDA=
     
    Truth777, Apr 17, 2009 IP
  20. Bradders

    Bradders Member

    Messages:
    794
    Likes Received:
    11
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    35
    #20
    Atheist women rule!!!!!!!!! woooooooo why waste time beliving? get out and enjoy life!! whats a life where you have to do what your partner says? what does he get out of it!? not alot... become atheist and slap your balls about!! wooop.

    Regrds,
    B.
     
    Bradders, Apr 17, 2009 IP