Help! PR drop, Search traffic drop

Discussion in 'Search Engine Optimization' started by savagemp5, Apr 9, 2009.

  1. #1
    My site was Pr 2 6 months ago. 3 months back it drop to 1. Now its 0.

    And guess what ? I was rank page 1 on one of the common keywords, and 2 on a not so common one. I get roughly about 20-40 uniques from google search last time and revenue was coming in.

    Now since the last pr update to 0, my google searches dropped to about 5-10 only. Man what happen ??

    I always thought PR wont be affected by keywords, but now with a search I cant find my pages indexed... only for certain ones.

    Could a migration of my server caused this (change of server IP)? Could a PR 0 cause this (it started dropping around 28-29 mar) ?? What could I do ?
     
    savagemp5, Apr 9, 2009 IP
  2. savagemp5

    savagemp5 Peon

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    anyone has any idea ?
     
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  3. catanich

    catanich Peon

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    #3
    Without the url, no one can see what you did. A drop this fast is usually a black hat issue or a major internal linking screwup.
     
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  4. Canonical

    Canonical Well-Known Member

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    The PR of your URL has very little to do w/ how you rank for a particular keyword phrase. Google is looking at more than 200 ranking factors for each URL in the SERPs when a search is performed. The PR of the URL is only one of those 200+ ranking factors.

    As catanich said, without a URL it's impossible to say...

    If I had to take a wild guess, I would guess that 1) either you've been changing the URLs without 301 redirecting the old URL to the new (so you've lost credit for inbound links that your old URLs had) or 2) you had a weak backlink profile made up solely of cheap link building techniques like blog comment spamming, directory submissions, forum signatures, etc. and Google is no longer counting most of your backlinks.

    Google has REALLY been targeting unnatural link farming techniques like these w/ anti-spam changes to their algorithm. Directories in particular have been getting hit hard in the last 6 months.
     
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  5. intelinside

    intelinside Well-Known Member

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    #5
    Hard to tell without the URL but in addition to the 301 redirection, may be duplicate content dumped you. Is it?
     
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  6. savagemp5

    savagemp5 Peon

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    Ok i dun mind teling u guys, my site is just a simple golf blog at www.golfswingplaneblog.com

    I guess u guys guessed it right. I had it on a "much better" web host. Just after the PR update, i transferred the domain and the files to another "not so good" web hosting coy. Basically its move from a more expensive to a cheaper web host.

    ALso, I had been "spaming" some backlinks to my golf site. ANd i guess it was perhaps the PR update, along with Google's cache at the same period...

    Well, just few days before the PR update and my domain change, I had a RSS to post widget so its auto updating posts via RSS from another site. COuld this be too ? I have since stop this RSS feeds to my site now...

    Now i lost of a page 1 and page 2 SEO ranking for some keywords, that was bringing in good traffic and some income... hmmm any one with any ideas ? Should i revert back to the "better & more expensive" web host ?
     
    savagemp5, Apr 11, 2009 IP
  7. merlinseo

    merlinseo Well-Known Member

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    #7
    Well over link building which is not quality ones are badly hit in this PR update

    As mentioned by canonical , this over links have caused it bad.

    I still doubt the Host has to play any factor , but yes your RSS and spamming links must have done it

    And you are not the only one victim of this because suddenly Mr. G has started out weighing this link because earlier they had a good weight age , anyways its learning curve
     
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  8. bobchrist

    bobchrist Active Member

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    Did you made any major changes in your website? there might be also possibility that your competitors turns more aggressive, check why others performing better in SERPs for specific keywords that you're targeting?
     
    bobchrist, Apr 11, 2009 IP
  9. savagemp5

    savagemp5 Peon

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    Hi thanks guys. I guess it might be due to the rss tats duplicate content and the link back... as for serp tats possible too so too many factors. Now all I can do is try to build it up again...
     
    savagemp5, Apr 12, 2009 IP
  10. simonwoo

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    #10
    I think you are right
     
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  11. mantor

    mantor Banned

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    Hi, I have the same issue, my site used to PR3 and now is dropped to PR1, the only thing that I can thinking of is I setup a blog on the site and use the Unique Articles Wizard to dip new articles to the blog daily last month, I can see more and more pages get indexed, so I thought it is GOOD and should improve the PR to 4 and now is decrease PR to 1, so does it means google knew it, but suppose those automated articles content is unique.

    Should I remove the blog or stop using that Unique Articles Wizard plugin and hope will get my PR 3 back?

    Thanks,
     
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  12. Rjet

    Rjet Greenhorn

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    #12
    Were backlinks removed from your sites ? Check the number of backlinks of each page.
     
    Rjet, Apr 21, 2009 IP
  13. Canonical

    Canonical Well-Known Member

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    Hmmm According to Yahoo! you have 443 links to your home page and 473 links to your entire site. Probably 95+% of those links are from a blog roll on http://www.dennisquek.com/ which I am guessing is one of your sites as well. This site's content is not related at all to golf.

    I would recommend NOT interlinking your own sites unless the sites are related from a content perspective. It could very well be that Google changed their algo to crack down on people building their own link farms by interlinking multiple unrelated sites. If you used the same email address and/or same name and/or same address and/or same phone #, etc. when registering the multiple domains and/or host the domain on the same IP as your other domains, Google can tie the domains together as being owned by the same person... even with private registration.

    It could also be that Google modified their algo to devalue site-wide links somehow. Or about 1000 other things. Who knows.

    But one thing appears pretty obvious... Somehow, the majority of your backlinks are not being counted now toward your home page PR. ~500 baclkinks (even from weak PR sites) should be plenty to get you at least to PR2.

    My guess is that it is because you own the other domain (http://www.dennisquek.com/) and through lexical semantic analysis or some other method (like a spam report/manual review or just a Google Quality Rater spot check), Google has determined it is also NOT a relevant site and therefore are discounting all of those inbound links from http://www.dennisquek.com/.

    PS: IMO you'd be better off linking from other sites to golfswingplaneblog.com with "Golf Swing Plane Blog" as separate words rather than using the domain name like "golfswingplaneblog.com" as the link text like you do on http://www.dennisquek.com/. Just a suggestion.
     
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  14. kiduka

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    #14
    You could be facing strong competition, someone else could have a better seo optimized website than yours for the keywords that you rank for.
     
    kiduka, Apr 21, 2009 IP
  15. Canonical

    Canonical Well-Known Member

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    This might explain the drop in rankings but would not be a cause for his Toolbar PR dropping from 2 to 0. The PR drop means links are no longer being counted that once were or that he lost a lot of links (or several of his more powerful links) or links that were powerful (passing a lot of PR) are now passing much less PR.

    My guess is there are links that have disappeared or that are no longer being counted (even though they still exist) or are being devauled. Therefore the link texts of those links are no longer helping him rank like they did before because he's not getting credit for the previous links. So I would bet the two (drop in PR, drop in rankings) are being caused by the same thing - fewer valid backlinks in Google's mind for whatever reason.

    Again, no way of knowing for sure without knowing exactly who used to link to them back when they were PR2 and ranking well and comparing that to who is still linking to them now that they are PR0.
     
    Canonical, Apr 21, 2009 IP
  16. shruchi nagar

    shruchi nagar Guest

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    Hello my friend,
    I don't know what are you doing with your website? But my friend today in this growing and competitive world each and everyone give competition to each other. Similarly keywords also have more and more competition. So try for good keywords and maintain it. Best of luck..
     
    shruchi nagar, Apr 30, 2009 IP