Guardian investigation uncovers evidence of Israeli war crimes in Gaza

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    Video | Palestinians used as human shields in Gaza by IDF

    Video | Under attack: medics die trying to help casualties

    Video | Cut to pieces: the family drinking tea in a courtyard

     
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    Palestinian Authority and PLO War Crimes

    Palestinians use churches and mosques as a fighting position

    "About 300 Palestinians, nearly all of them armed, have been holed up in the shrine [Church of the Nativity, "built over the site where tradition says Jesus was born and one of Christianity's major shrines"] since Tuesday..." [Ibrahim Hazboun, Associated Press writer, 4 April 2002]
    The PLO tactic is obvious. Their gunmen shoot at the Israelis. If the Israelis return the fire, they will damage one of Christianity's holiest shrines.

    Palestinian ambulance driver transports explosives

    "Reserve soldiers at a mobile roadblock today captured a Palestinian Red Crescent ambulance driver who was caught transporting an explosive belt of the type detonated by suicide bombers, Israel Radio reported." Jerusalem Post, 28 March, 2002. Abuse of the Red Cross or Red Crescent in this manner is, I believe, a capital war crime.

    Palestinians use wheelchair-bound man as cover

    From Aruz 7
    Lt.-Col. Tal, who lives in a Jezreel Valley with his wife and three daughters, fought in the recent anti-terrorism offensive in Jenin.
    "At one point, Palestinians booby trapped a wheelchair and pushed its occupant into the open in hope of attracting Israeli soldiers to become victims..."

    Palestinians dress in Israeli uniforms, murder young girl

    Sudarsan Raghavan, Knight Ridder-Newspapers, 28 April 2002 "Disguised gunmen kill 4: Girl, 5, among victims of terrorists in Israeli army uniforms"
    ADORA, West Bank
    Palestinian terrorists dressed as Israeli soldiers slipped into a quiet Israeli settlement near Hebron Saturday morning...
    The gunmen entered the home of 5-year-old Danielle Sheffi, who lived with her parents and three siblings. After they left, the little girl's room-- decorated with a Micky Mouse doll, bed sheet, and poster-- was scattered with bullet holes and stained with blood.
    Danielle died instantly.


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    gauharjk Notable Member

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    You can't answer a single question even when presented with video evidence and so many human rights groups, many of them from israel itself, calling for an independent investigation.

    Pathetic!
     
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    uploas Peon

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    I didn't see anything from the actual war zone and either do you.
    we can criticize Israel's brutal for ever, but it won't give us a solution for the Islamic terror, this is much deeper problem
     
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    This is what happens when you fight for your invisible friend.
     
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    ziya Well-Known Member

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    it is sad, but it sounds like that ,even animals have much more importancy than palestinains. There are animal rights, and who will violate it will be arrested have to pay for his guilty. And there are much ppls who see an animal in pain, and animal which is beating by someone , feel so bad for animal (It is quite normal), but why just read and listen to news not to react as reacting to animal rights
     
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    THEY ARE COMMITTING WAR CRIMES!!! It is not allowed to use the red cross/red crescent/red star as a means to combat. It is not permitted to use them as a means of transporting war materials. but, I know, it doesn't fit in your views, so you won't car. Support those people who blow themselves up killing innocent civilians, in the name of an invisible friend in the sky. Way to go.
     
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    Did you even care to see the videos? These were compiled by The Guardian.

    There are hundreds of testimonies out there from neutral observers.. But you ignore them coz it does not fit your view of the world. In your views, Arabs are terrorists, always will be, even when they are the victim.
     
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    That is ironic coming from you. In your view the Palestinians are always victims, even when they are committing terrorist acts and attacking another nation.
     
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    in his point of view, every Muslim is a victim. it's funny, because the Jews and the Christians are the ones who need to handle the Jihad and the Sharia.
     
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    I never mentioned any religion, not even once. You are the one enchanted by Muslims, and Jihad and what not. I wouldn't be surprised if you didn't know that Palestine is the birthplace of Jesus Christ & there are hundreds of thousands of Palestinian Christians living in Palestine.
     
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    gauharjk, next time sign your rep. And for the record, I don't hate arabs. I don't hate anyone based on what they believe in, what their skin color is, what their race is, what sex they are, nothing like that. I hate people for who they are. Palestinians are not all bad. We all know that. However, the majority of them are (otherwise Hamas wouldn't be in power). If they got rid of Hamas Palestine would have a much better impression to the world. But, until they do........


    Apparently committing war crimes is ok for the palestinians to do, but, if Israel does something bad, shame on them. Your viewpoint is so narrow it disgusts me. And I will no longer be partaking in this thread becasue of your narrow mindedness.

    At least the liberals of the US denounce terrorism, unlike you, who supports it.
     
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    I had a look at the first video (parts of, I have more important things to do than waste my time on this crap...)
    Not surprisingly, I did not see anything new, except three brothers telling a story. You might believe them, if you wish. I do not.
    The 2007 video is also an old one. Following that video, the Israeli court has banned further use of neighbours to apprehend terrorists. The boy tied to the jeep was taken in 2002. He was throwing stones on the soldiers, so that was just a small punishment. There were no shootings at the scene.

    I am impressed by the efficiency of use of recycled propaganda materials to justify your hate to Israel.

    If it comforts you, be certain that for every time the israelis take palestinians as human shields, there are 10 times that the Hamas takes palestinians are human shields. You know the difference between the two cases.

    May I ask you where are you from and why is it that you hate Israel so much?
     
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    I really feel sorry for your ignorance of the issue. Bu I am certain you will come around when you really study the facts. You bemoan that Palestinians elected hamas. But Hamas was not a part of the government until 2005. But it did not stop the humiliation and pain meted out to Palestinians for teh last 60 years.

    I would like to point you to Ran HaCohen, an Israeli academic. Maye you'll see what he has to say... --> http://antiwar.com/hacohen/archives.php

    The Ideology of Occupation Revisited

    Hebron for Beginners

    Pacifying Gaza

    How to Live With Hunger

    The Quiet Occupation

    Most probably you won't bother.. just like you didn't bother to check the sources at www.ifamericansknew.org

    I have nothing more to add to this discussion...
     
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    ziya Well-Known Member

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    Urgent Appeal: In Gaza a Siege fire instead of Ceasefire

    Actions strongly required as borders are severely restricted...

    Patients still dying and death toll 313 as no exit, no enough medicines...
    Tens of thousands displaced...
    Re construction not allowed...
    Extreme poverty and unemployment paralyzing life...
    Freedom of Movement is a taboo...

    The European Campaign to End the Siege on Gaza, (ECESG) calls upon all International Organization working on the Gaza Strip to intervene immediately. The siege is not only suffocating the people of Gaza, depriving them of basic necessities, it is also breaking international law. In the wake of the siege, which even after three years shows no sign of abating, numerous international condemnation desperate plea have been shamelessly rejected by the Israeli authorities.
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    Report: Sinn Fein’s Gerry Adams calls Gaza ‘an open-air prison’
    By Haaretz Service
    Sinn Fein leader Gerry Adams on Thursday denounced the Israel-led blockade on Gaza as has having made the coastal strip into an “open-air prison,” news outlets reported.

    “This is a total denial of the rights of the people of Palestine. This is an open-air prison,” The Guardian quoted the Sinn Fein president as saying during a visit to the Hamas-ruled territory. “People can’t travel out of here, they can’t travel in.”

    Israel and Egypt imposed a blockade on Gaza after Hamas ousted its secular rival Fatah in a bloody 2007 coup.

    During the visit, Adams met with the Palestinian Islamist group’s Gaza leader Ismail Haniyeh.

    According to the Palestinian news agency Ma’an, Haniyeh told the Northern Irish republican leader that Israel achieved nothing in its recent offensive against Hamas apart from “killing innocent men, women, children and police officers.”

    Adams, for his part, called for direct negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians to prevent a repeat of Operation Cast Lead.

    “The obligation is that what happened here doesn’t happen again,” AFP quoted Adams as saying.
     
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    Life is a bitch when you attack your neighbors and vote to power a group sworn to their destruction. Gee, I wonder why they don't just allow the Palestinians to prosper and achieve their leaders stated goal of destroying Israel? It is so confusing.

    As long as the Palestinians people vote for terrorists to lead them the world should and will treat them like terrorists. If the Palestinians are living in what you think is an open air prison, it is one of their own making. Palestinians used to travel much more freely and work in Israel in great numbers - until they started to kill random Jews in buses and coffee shops and at religious celebrations. Sorry, but I have little sympathy for a group that in one breath demands to be treated like a civilized nation and in the other supports Hamas, a terrorist group sworn to Israel's destruction. The absurdity is those of you who expect Israel to be complicit in its own destruction by helping groups sworn to their destruction just because they are Palestinian. A Palestinian terrorist is still a terrorist.

    One day the Palestinians will learn to live in peace and thrive or they will continue to be the Arab/Muslim pawns in a proxy war against Israel.
     
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    browntwn, you know no matter how much you try to reason with these two, their racism and hatred is bred so deep they will never change their minds. They advocate terrorism, so long as it is not against them or the palestinians. Bunch of hypocrites if you ask me.
     
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    I am not racist. Show me where I made a racist post ?
     
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    By linking to site like that, with picture like that
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    you are just sating that the Jewish people shouldn't get a state.

    Im linking to a site against Sharia, not against Muslims as is.
     
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    ziya Well-Known Member

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    Who gave them right , to be settled in Palestine and then to make Genocide on them ? Look at this map :

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    And how hard you try the fact is fact that Gaza is ‘an open-air prison’ still and it is under siege ..

    I don't think ppls just because of his/her skin color, race, nationality, religion ..
     
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