You all (i think) were concerned during the Gaza operation, and Israeli government kept saying that the operation is not against the civilians (even know that the rockets don't shoot it selves), because the operation is not even the Hamas people, it's just against Hamas military camps and launch points. instead of keep telling you, cause you won't believe me. lets see some pics. (from IDF and The American \ Canadian Air forces) This picture show how ruthless the Hamas and the people who voted for him.. and the videos : Hamas shoot during cease fire from UN schoolyard Israel give to a Arab Child Medical Care watch more.. and more...
A bunch of bullcrap propaganda... It doensn't work anymore. The world knows the true nature of the criminal apartheid system instituted by israel
indeed? where do you live? lets say UK. if Germany will attack you, like she did, you will bomb their military bases, right? We did it, but the people in Gaza agreed to have Hamas launching sites in their area, so there is a military base-house-military camp-mosque-launching site-school. can you deal with this?
Israel occupied Palestinian land and drove them out to create their state. Then, they kept expanding it via wars and settlements. They claim Gaza was freed in 2005, but that was big propaganda lie. Gaza was deprived of basic necessities of life like water, food, fuel or medicines. UN complained so many times, but what could anyone do as long as the criminal Bush administration supported the apartheid government. Elections were held, and the corrupt fatah was voted out of power. But then Bush realized these people are not their minions. And so, they arranged a coup against the elected representatives of the Palestinian people. US & israel provided Fatah men with military training and weapons. Source: http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2008/04/gaza200804 Hamas's crime? Defending the poor unarmed Palestinian people against the world's second best army, armed to the teeth with the latest weapons from US inventory. You can't defend yourself if israel is attacking otherwise you become a hater of freedom, a terrorist or an anti-semite. It is so simple, and easy, when you control all the media corporations... 400 children under the age of 13 died in the massacre. More than 1300 dead. Gaza as ravaged. AN Hamas was accused of breaking the cease-fire... which is a lie. YouTube - CNN Confirms Israel Broke Ceasefire Israel broke ceasefire by killing six - Irish Times Gaza truce broken as Israeli raid kills six Hamas gunmen - The Guardian The main issue was israel never inended to keep the ceasefire. It was all a plan, to attack at the time of holiday season, so that no one would even notice. You annot expect peace as long as the occupation contnues, with new settlements being built in West Bank, with Gaza continued to be blockaded and terrorised, with the world remaining silent of israeli war crimes.
12 MB video of Islamic terror in Israel How kids live in Sderot Under Islamic terror Killing of Non-Muslims is Legitimate (British Mullah) AntiSemitism and Jew Hatred potrayed on Palestinean TV MIDEAST: JEWISH EASTER; HAMAS TV, JEWS USE ISLAMIC BLOOD What really happened in the Middle East Why didn't I linked to distroied houses pics like you did? because the Hamas didn't reach to Israeli houses. it's not like they didn't try, they did, with 200+ rockets per day in the weeks before the war.
You can never stay on a topic? Posting from hate sites? I only post from newspapers... don't have to go to hate sites like you do... I have given you sources which I believe you can read and understand. Since you live in israel, it is natural for you to read your own propaganda. But I insist you look at media around the world. But I don't think you are interested in truth. The people whom you call Islamic terrorists are the same people who sheltered Jews for thousand years when hey were being driven out of Europe...
Actually it is you who does not know shit, or rather, you are intentionally being ignorant. Hamas uses terrorist tactics in its fight against Israel. Hamas purposely risks the lives of innocent civilian Palestinians because it helps their fight against Israel. Palestinians voted Hamas into power and support Hamas' actions attacking Israel. Hamas is sworn to Israel destruction. Israel, like any nation, seeks to defend itself from attacks. Hamas cynically attacks Israel from places where they risk their own civilians. You give a 100% pass to all of the Islamic terrorists tactics and condemn Israel for defending its own people. You are a hypocrite of the highest magnitude.
browntwn, don't tell him that stuff you know he won't listen to logic and facts. He is the epitamy of hypocrit. Don't forget all of the cease fires Hamas agrees to just to restock and rearm. What a bunch of wimps.
Hamas is the elected government of Palestinians, and has a right to defend them when they are humiliated and under occupation for decades now. Gaza has been under blockade since 2005, and that is an act of war. West Bank continues to be under severe occupation, with increasingly expanding settlements inside Palestinian territories, Jews-only roads, complete encirclement of entire towns, as if Palestinians were sheep, and not humans. Such acts will result in retaliation with whatever methods Palestinians have available to them. If US supplied Palestinians with advanced precision weapons, then I bet there will be no more attacks on civilians, but only on military targets. Neither you nor hostlonestar can understand their pain, primarily because you don't care. In your mind, they are not equal human beings. Video | Palestinians used as human shields in Gaza by IDF Video | Under attack: medics die trying to help casualties Video | Cut to pieces: the family drinking tea in a courtyard Source: The Guardian
They bring it on themselves with their launching from civilian areas. If you could get your head out of your 4th point of contact you would be able to see that. It is the palestinians that elect hamas. It is their own fault. Maybe if they elected someone else, the world would take their little "country" a little more seriously. Maybe they should stop resorting to terroristic methods to get their way and do like every other country and fight like real men and women. Oh I know, because they know Israel would annihalate them. That is a fact, and you know it. I don't think Israel is going to pull any punches next time and they are going to wipe hamas off the face of the planet.
Hamas was created in 1987 during the first uprising. Before that, there was no Hamas. Palestinians have been urging the world to help them create their state. But nothing works. They're Arabs you know... Media has always portrayed them in poor light in your part of the world. Poor unarmed people, under occupation for 60 years, and you want them to fight an open war. I'm glad they are smarter than you. They continue to resist the occupation. I bet you'd do the same thing if foreigners came to your country and took it over, while confining your entire population into open-air prisons, suing advanced weapon systems on an unarmed population and killing them at will. That is a fact, and you know it. European media is more independent. Thats why Europeans know the truth and they don't blindly worship israel.
Why don't these Arabs move a few miles south of Gaza or east of the West Bank into the loving arms of their Arab brothers and out of the land that God gave Moses and the twelve tribes of Israel?
Israeli soldiers routinely and intentionally put children in harm's way during their 22-day offensive against the Palestinians in Gaza, according to a United Nations report : ------------------------ Human shield : The report said a working group had documented and verified reports of violations For example, on January 15, in a town southwest of Gaza City, Israel Defense Forces soldiers ordered an 11-year-old boy to open Palestinians' packages, presumably so that the soldiers would not be hurt if they turned out to contain explosives They then forced the boy to walk in front of them in the town, it said. When the soldiers came under fire, "the boy remained in front of the group," ---------------------- January 3. In one, it said, after a tank round struck near a house, a father and his two sons -- both younger than 11 -- emerged to look at the damage. "As they exited their home, IDF soldiers shot and killed them (at the entrance to their house), with the daughter witnessing," the report said. -------------- "Israeli soldiers entered a family house in the Zeitoun neighborhood of Gaza City. Standing at the doorstep, they asked the male head of the household to come out and shot him dead, without warning, while he was holding his ID, hands raised up in the air, and then started to fire indiscriminately and without warning into the room where the rest of the family was huddled together ------------- "The eldest son was shouting in vain the word 'Children' in Hebrew to warn the soldiers. The shooting did not stop until everyone was lying on the floor. The mother and four of the brothers, aged 2-12 years, had been wounded, one of them, aged 4, fatally." ----------- 1,440 were dead Palestinian, including 431 children ----------- It called for the end of Israel's blockade of Gaza and the free passage into the territory of food, medicine, fuel and construction supplies. -------------- The report by the medical group, which shared the 1997 Nobel Peace Prize, cited instances where it said IDF forces did not evacuate injured civilians for days and prevented Palestinian teams from reaching the wounded, and said some of them died as a result. ---- Sadly much more facts
Under the Qassam attacks: 97% of the people weren't in the IDF, if you count them as "criminals" the Qassams cost to Israel over 19 Billion dollar (CIA REPORT!) The Hamas is the one who use kids as human shield - videos Israel don't let food into Gaza? really? Only food from Iran (and we saw what was in the latest ship of "food" - the terror supply in Sudan was covered by "Immediate supply". Israel "allow the transfer of food to the Gaza Strip without restriction", so it says that we did passed food, but under restriction. Netanyahu to transfer NIS 100M to Gaza - 04.07.09 If any of the "facts" you showed here was true, there was no longer anyone in Gaza (no food, no supply) but they still grow.
About restrictions , in 2007 it was told that : UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon: "The Secretary-General is increasingly concerned about the situation in the Gaza Strip and its impact on the economic life. He notes in particular the new figures released by the World Bank which show that in the last month alone 3,190 businesses have closed down forcing over 65,000 people into unemployment. If what is left of Gaza’s economy is allowed to collapse, poverty levels, already affecting an estimated two thirds of households, will rise further and the people of Gaza will become near totally aid dependent. The Secretary-General calls for every effort to be made to open all crossings into Gaza for the passage of humanitarian supplies and workers, as well as commercial goods. In particular, he calls for the Karni Crossing to be opened immediately for the passage of commercial imports and exports. In addition, the Secretary-General calls for the opening of the Rafah Crossing to allow into Gaza more than 4,000 Palestinians stranded in Egypt. The continued restrictions on Gaza will have a severe humanitarian impact and can only cause further suffering to the people there. " We see "restrictions" will make Gazans to get much more poor . They will became aid dependent. Israeli soldiers routinely and intentionally put children and civilians in harm's way during "wars" is not new in history : Late on 28 September 2004 large numbers of Israeli Defence Force (IDF) tanks, bulldozers and armoured personnel carriers moved into Northern Gaza from permanent bases in Nissanit settlement, Erez Industrial Zone and the Eastern Border, tearing up roads and flattening homes and crops as they pushed forward. Israeli Army units established strategic positions on high ground overlooking the Jabalia, Izbet Beit Hanoun and Beit Lahia areas; troops also deployed along the main road between Jabalia camp and Beit Hanoun and on the northern and eastern sides of Jabalia camp. Over the next 17 days the IDF remained in control of Northern Gaza. An estimated 200 armoured vehicles were on the ground in towns, villages and densely populated refugee camps, launching regular raids into civilian areas, firing on Palestinian targets from the air and ground, sealing off Palestinian neighbourhoods and restricting movement of civilians and humanitarian/emergency relief workers. Large swathes of agricultural land were leveled and there was widespread damage to public and private property – homes, schools, commercial interests - and public infrastructure. IDF bulldozers dug deep trenches across several main roads, severing sewage, water and electricity lines. During the operation, approximately 36,000 Palestinians in different locations, including Beit Hanoun (22,000 persons), Izbet Beit Hanoun (5,000 persons), the areas east of Sikka St. and Salah Eddin St (2,500 persons), Nada and Awda towers (2,500 persons) and parts of Jabalia camp (4,000 persons) were under siege. Many thousands of civilians were unable to leave their homes, as fighting raged around them. An additional 4,000 persons fled their homes in the affected areas. 15 October over 100 Palestinians had been killed, including 27 children, and over 400 injured October 2004 has been the deadliest month so far, with 112 killed as at 17.10.2004 in 2004 45 persons each day, have been made homeless as a result of IDF demolition operations in 2004 Total damage to infrastructure(road network) is estimated at USD 355,000. Tank shells and bullets were fired at schools, destroying walls and classrooms, windows and window frames, and leaving blackboards pitted with holes. Bulldozers destroyed boundary walls. A resident school attendant's shelter was also demolished. Furniture was damaged and equipment, including computers, fax machines, fans and stationery, was looted. The cost of repairing the damage to UNRWA schools will be close to USD 100,000. Summer Rain’ in Gaza : Israeli aircraft targeted two government ministries and Gaza’s civilian infrastructure,including Gaza’s three main bridges and only electrical power plant, cutting off almost half Gaza’s electricity supply8. Access to clean running water and sanitation facilities was also disrupted, whilst hospitals were forced to rely on generators not suitable for certain vital medical procedures. ‘Autumn Clouds’, in the northern Gaza Strip. The Beit Hanounarea was particularly affected: 82 Palestinians were killed and 260 injured..Approximately 3,600 refugee shelters were damaged and 150 demolished and an 850 year old mosque was destroyed.In total 505 Palestinians were killed in the second half of 2006 and 2,114 injured as a result of Israeli military operations,including 412 Palestinians killed and 1,264 injured in Gaza,according to UNRWA statistics. Enforcement of the permit system has made travel between different areas of the West Bank more difficult, effectively cutting the territory into three parts
gauharjk please explain the term "palestinian land" which you refer to many times in your long exhausting posts. What exactly is the piece of land that you define as "palestinian land" (have a map?) And under which grounds/principles you claim the above mentioned land to be "palestinian". In other words, does "palestinian land", according to you, can be described by the attached picture, taken from ziya's second signature link? ziya: I would really like to have a word with you, but you write too much write a simple argument and give the reasons.
gauharjk, in your page: http://www.itisapartheid.org/getthefacts I recommend you to rename this page to "get some of the facts, ignore the other" for example, in this page you forgot to mention that 23% of the holders of the israeli passport are palestinians. which do not fight against the state of Israel. The vast majority of them are loyal productive citizens. In exchange, In comparison with all arab countries (well except bahrain, qatar and other artificial tiny oil countries), they are (1) the best educated arabs in the world. (2) have best medical care amongst all world arabs. (3) They also enjoy the highest income/person (travel to neighbouring syria or egypt, for example, and you will have a 90% drop in income). And: (4) They are the only arabs in the world who can elect and get elected in true free democratic elections. I was brought up in a mixed jewish-palestinian arab city. Please explain how my city, and the many palestinian friends I have, fit in your apatheid theory.