Life begins with a heartbeart. A baby is not dead until born. Any woman who has carried her baby to birth can tell you about the kicks and movements. This argument is absurd as the cancer argument. The absence of a heartbeat is death. A birthday is a "birth" day, not a "heart" day. The day you are born is a birthday. Life does not begin with a birth, it begins with a heartbeat. I know exactly where I stand and made it very clear. I do not support abortion, but I can understand the rationale in the extreme cases people argue to take the heat off abortions for the sole lack of responsibility. I'd rather see adaption as an alternative. I'm very comfortable with that position and find it far more acceptable than standing up and screaming "MURDER YOUR BABIES" at will. If you wish to compare postions, I'm more than happy to go that route. On one hand, understanding the extremes (which rarely occur), on the other hand, abort at will. You are correct here, to a degree. The law is in the favor of women to murder their babies for a lack of responsibility. That doesn't mean the law silences opposing view points to those who are seeking pats on the back to justify such behavior.
I don't think anyone who has had an abortion is looking for a pat on the back. I guess that defines your misunderstading of the subject in one sentance.
I will have to add, that all the women I know that have had abortions in the past said that they were not warned about many issues from physical to emotional that they experienced. They feel that it was actually hidden from them. Them one man I know that didn't want his girlfriend to have an abortion - probably 25+ yrs ago, was still distraught when I last talked to him a few years back (he has passed away a couple years ago)
Nor did I say anyone who has had an abortion is looking for a pat on the back. If we untwist the words back to what I originally wrote: then suddenly it becomes clear again. So we return from the misleading twist of people who had abortions (which I did not say) back to people justifying the behavior, which is what the thread is about. I suppose such things are necessary when one cannot argue that life ends with the absence of a heartbeat and life begins with the presence of a hearbeat. Or any other rationale besides "it's a woman's right."
That's a womens own fault for not educating herself. That's like blaming the liquor store for selling you alcohol, but not warning you that you could get drunk or hungover.
I had a job as a pharmaceutical rep in London and hated it. However one of my loveliest doctors had a sideline as an abortionist and he'd tell me how only days after an abortion the women would be back with fresh STDs - despite being told not to have sex for 6 weeks. I'm sure it's not restricted to the UK's worst council estates but there are women who don't enjoy the same equality and standards as other women. That in itself is a tragedy - before you even get to the trail of destruction they and their so-called partners leave in their wake.
yup a bunch of old men trying to tell woman what they can do to their bodies probalby want abortion banned because they scared their wife/girlfriend will go have one without telling them a million woman a year choose to have them, 20% are married, do the math I would say country has voted with its actions
Great example Vicious. However, this does not apply to women being raped I suppose. Also, in third world countries there is not a lot of education.
I suspect they have a better grasp on reality and have thought the situation through. In Western countries an unwanted pregnancy is usually inconvenient rather than a tragedy.
I would rather bet on the fact the in US or other "evolved" countries, the rate of abortion is much higher, just because you can screw any women in any bar. It'a a much more free state of mind in these countries. In my country (so far) women are not so easy to catch. I didn't tried to be disrespectful with what I said above. It's just my view. And not all women are included in the above statement.
the more evolved a country is the greater rate of abortion has - correct anything for an easier life even if it's hard most poor countries raise their children
Yeah right. Guys wish they could screw any girl in a bar. Just ask that guy that grabbed my friend's ass and I punched him right in the face (I bet he lied to everyone about where he got that black eye...haha). Just because guys are pigs and try to screw girls in a bar, doesn't make all American girls sluts in need of abortions. Come on...
Got any stats for that or just talking out of your ass? Out of 30-40 million abortions worldwide only 1.4 million are in the US.
It's a good thing that they are decreasing though (US): I also found these stats that make me so sad: 126.000 abotions per day worldwide ?
Expertu that has to be the funniest post I have read all day I think its probably because that medical treatments are more availible in developed countries, its pretty funny thought . Woman in america just throwing themsleves at everyone. Romania's home to the hard to get woman?, give me a break. Just because you have difficutly getting girls does not mean too much. I'll bet you would have just as much trouble in the States.
So every year the world population coul be increasing by 7 times the entire population of London if it wasn't for abortions? Wow, think of all those unwanted kids we could bring into the world. All we'd have to do is get every man woman and child in London to adopt 7 kids each year and it'll be fine. Jesus, I didn't realise that before but it kind of blows all of your adoption arguements out of the window
Hey lets change this up a bit... rather than just arguing about it... why don't we write up what you think the "law" should be... if you had the power to make a law about it, what would your law say...