Do you really fear AIDS? And Virtue vs Vice...

From the above it's easy to see that if your a heterosexual male, that doesn't use drugs....you roughly have a 1 in 50k chance of catching AIDS. AIDS seem like a receiver disease ie through drugs, anal sex, and to a lesser extent vaginal sex.

Sorry if this sounds bad, but I don't feel sorry for the people that get it (except the babies, blood transfusions patients...maybe a few others). Other than that, I believe it's your responsibility and your fault. Odd how it's similiar to how I feel on the abortion issue ie your vices generally shouldn't be felt sorry for.

I'm wondering if those whom support abortion really feel sorry for those whom catch AIDS--even though it was their irresponsiblity that gave it to them?

Why do some people feel a need to protect those of vice? What happened to defending virtue and innocence?

If you want to kill yourself with abusively smoking of cigarettes, unprotected sex,
alcohol addition, etc....why should the general public have to protected you from your stupidity? If you can't make a living after years and years of help from the government, why should you still receive government help? Why help those whom won't help themselves and avidly work against themselves?

Self-responsibility....what happened to you?

 

You are one cold hearted person.

 

You do see that the first graph is from 1993? 16 years ago...? And probably only data from the United States... not africa?

Maybe you've lived a perfect life, I don't know. But I know I haven't, I know most of my family hasn't, most of the people I've met in my lifetime haven't. People make mistakes, it's a sad fact of life.

Having sympathy and compassion for people doesn't mean you don't want them to be held accountable or have no responsibility. A cousin I grew up with (more like a brother to me than my own brother) for whatever reasons made a lot of mistakes as a teenager and young adult - he's now in prison for accessory to murder. Do I think he deserves his punishment? Of course, he's in jail where he belongs, but do I also have sympathy for his situation and what happened to what was a great kid? Of course I do.

 

I'm not saying people shouldn't help others, I saying why is there a desire to rise vice above virtue (or innocence).

It's not like I haven't forgiven many people for their mistakes (probably more than most people), but I constantly hear that it's my moral obligation to help those whom %uck-up. I don't need to help anyone, I do it because I think the person somewhat redeemable.

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Africa is a two fold thing...many don't believe in Aids and anal sex is used to keep virginity (among a perv activity that I'm yet to confirm), which is terribly easy way to spread aids.

 

Yet another well-reasoned post from Rick. I always enjoy your thought provoking posts!

Some good old fashion reality, and you are labeled as a "cold hearted person."

Apparently it's not "progressive" to be responsible. Surely it must, somehow, be Bush's fault! Anyone's fault, but my own.

 

Rick your getting incoherent on us

"Look at me I don't give a shit about the aids people, but I care about the fetuses"

What exact point are you trying to make? Aids is a terrible disease, a lot of people get thru carelss behavior, a lot of them are careless becasue they are strung out on drugs. Have you ever seen some who is dying of AIDS?

What does this have to do with Aids?

 

I suppose helping a girl that was addicted to drugs when no one would was rather cold of me.

Bring together people whom shattered relations years ago, and consequently bring a couple families back together...thus giving an old man a chance at redeeming himself by giving him love that he hadn't had his whole life. That's cold?

The difference between these people and what I'm talking about is they felt the humility of their behaviour and didn't ask anyone to bear obligation. They wanted more than pity....they wanted to live (because they learned), and in doing so they were the most inspirational characters I've met. I'll be damned not to help an upward soul.

I think it comes down to the idea of 'repenting'...not necessarily the religious kind, but the physical acceptance that it was you that fucked-up...and that it's you that must make amend. That's beautiful, and definitely worthy of all my heart to help.

Cold is to help death die, and to feel sorry for it. No, I'm not cold, I'm just not a grave digger.

 

Cuckoo ... Cuckoo

 

I never actually said either/or. I hope AIDS is cured as any other medical disease (and I actually wish the best for anyone that gets it), and my view on abortion is not 'steady'. The context is not as you think.

It's moral difference of approaching things.

Example: Your kid mess up the dining room by coloring the wall on top of the table, and for some reason he falls off and cracks his head open. You bring him to the hospital, and over time he's fine. You don't just feel sorry for him (as there's nothing to feel sorry over), and you caringly punish him.

Point is, you don't focus on the abusive behaviour as okay,.... just since you care more about the little kids health it's no less important to focus on why it was wrong.

I live in the bay area....so I don't have to answer that do I?..my aunt works in a hospital. I meet several with cancer and such. My aunt is very caring, and I respect person in those situation, but I don't hold a moral approval of some people's action.

Note: obviously I'm not talking about people that can't help it.

Self-responbility. To own up to what you do, and to not put obiligations on others.

I helped my father (once a glacier) work in the ghetto, and I've seen worse shit than you can imagine. I understand the permeating culture that exists, and out of the many I've seen a few whom rise above it all. They endear my heart. I respect these individuals, and I don't feel sorry for those whom don't some day pick up their sleeves and say I need to make something out of myself that's worthy of my life.

People that don't practice a rational lifestyle ( whether homosexual, heterosexual, black, white, asian, hispanic), need to feel defeat in order to know that through humility they are worthy of more. Tough love (among other kinds) is an imperative in my book. If people don't know what they're doing is wrong, they'll just practice it their whole life.

 

Thanks for the reassurance.

If you can't understand analogies, I was saying that I don't support people whom don't respect/accept their own faults (even if they're deadly). If you support that, you are essentially excusing a person's right to die...and you might as well be digging a hole for them.

 

I some how doubt that, you really have no idea of all the wonderful stuff I have seen.

I still don't understand what people contracting aids, has to do with what you are saying, are you saying if someone gets AIDS then they shouldn't get health care because they should have know better?

Should we reprimand or fine people who catch aids?

What exactly is your point?

Your going to give the aids people tough love? What are you going to do send them to their rooms?

 

Ever seen someone get shot point blank? Hell, maybe you do have more crazier experiences....I don't know what kind of life you live...

No, that's completely up to their insurance agency. Although I think insurance agency have some issue on this sort of thing...but that's a different issue.

lmao! No.

That people should put self-responsibility on top of their list of ethics.

haha...
It's not as specific as you would think. Recently I saw an article in the paper that said 'fight the cause of Aids'...the list read: poverty, racism, and homophobia. Really? Now don't get me wrong, I think two of them might have a general role in things, but it's that sort of 'thinking' (if you wish to call it that), which gives an impression that the people that contract AIDS through abusive behaviours are victims.

The idea and only idea that should (and generally is) permeating the public is how it's given to each other ie primarily anal sex, drugs, and vaginal sex, and that either absitence or safe sex is a responsible way of living. Anyone with the right mind should have pissed on that article I was refering to.

Tough love is about not letting people use bullshit excuses for their behaviours...whether it's this or that. Today's society wants to find outside blame on things that are primarily a self contained issue. Tough love to me is showing you the mirror and if you don't like what you see, then too damn bad.

 

Yes I have see someone get shot point blank, a block from front door when I lived in SF, I have seen people die right in front of me before too, but its sort of off topic.

I still really don't see anything you have said related to the first post

this is your first post as I see it,

straight people don't tend to get aids, I don't feel sorry for people who get aids, people who feel sorry for people who get aids and are pro-choice don't make sense, then some stuff about resposiblity

You arn't really making any sense.

 

I also noticed how he pretty much showed gay's get the most aids.. then was talking about "virtue" ...

 

Women do. Straight drug free men don't...as much.

I don't feel sorry for the irresponsible behaviour.

That was more or less a question, not an assertion.

Yes.

What is the reality of AIDS, and whom is responsible for you getting it?....that's all I'm doing in these posts.

To you perhaps, and maybe a few others. It's fairly clear, though. If you have any questions to ask, continue.

 

Don't display my thoughts with a spin yo-yo. When I speak of virtue I use it as Aristotle did, not as a kick or punch at homosexuality. I thinking it's disgusting, but that doesn't necessarily equate with me thinking it's 'immoral'.

It was just a matter of stating the reality of it, when it baffles me that even a local training fireman didn't know how it was primarily distributed ie anally and drugs.

 

I'm not spinning anything.. that's what I got out of reading it.. you showed a graph that showed the majority of aids is from homosexuals.. then you started talking about responsibility and virtue and not feeling sorry people... if that's not what you meant, it sure was easy to read it that way.

 

And just to answer the question:

Q. Do you really fear AIDS?
A. No not really.. I've never known anyone personally who had it, I've always been more worried about the more common STDs (that don't have cures) like HPV and Herpes.

 

I am very much afraid of AIDS.

Bcoz I cannot keep my hands off the whores.

 

How you worded what I said was incomplete, and thus misleading. I'd rather not have someone decipher what I said if they don't fully and honestly do so. And it would be nice if they asked me what I meant or read the thread pertaining to it's meaning.

The graph was just a statement of fact, rather than the common misconception out there ie many people don't know for the most part that "AIDS seems like a receiver disease ie through drugs, anal sex, and to a lesser extent vaginal sex. "

These last two posts you've mentioned my assertion on homosexuals only, thus giving an incomplete view of my statement.

What is usually 'meant', is a rather broad contextual thing...and often isn't pervaded in a single statement. Thus the misinterpetations, and the explanation throughout this thread.