Should abortion be allowed to women?

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by cpvr, Mar 26, 2006.

?

Should abortion be allowed?

  1. yes

    96 vote(s)
    65.8%
  2. no

    50 vote(s)
    34.2%
  1. Cheap SEO Services

    Cheap SEO Services <------DoFollow Backlinks

    Messages:
    16,664
    Likes Received:
    1,318
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #361

    First of all. I can never condemn you. Who am I to do this? But there are others who read these comments and that is why I post these comments.

    Also, please do not forget that this thread is situated in the "Politics & Religion" category. Therefore, my comments are appropriate. However, I would like to see each in it's own category. Politics and religion should never be mixed.
     
    Cheap SEO Services, Jul 10, 2006 IP
  2. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

    Messages:
    15,836
    Likes Received:
    571
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #362
    I did, you just didn't like the answer. Unlike you, she chose not to murder her baby.

    Wouldn't your son be starting kindergarten this year?
     
    GTech, Jul 10, 2006 IP
  3. DeniseJ

    DeniseJ Live, Laugh, Love

    Messages:
    3,144
    Likes Received:
    243
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #363
    I don't believe anyone is fostering a sense of negativity here. I think all of us are simply participating in a discussion regarding a highly sensitive issue. Regardless of the fact I think this debate isn't grounds for your religious preaching, you are of course entitled to speak your mind.

    Obviously, GTech we do not know how any individual's life will turn out. HOWEVER, when I made the comment about a child having the right to a good life, I meant in the immediate context. For example, if a mother knows she will not be able to support a baby financially or emotionally perhaps it would be in the best interest for the child to be aborted, because the mother cannot provide the life for the child it deserves.

    You keep arguing about the "responsiblity" aspect of having a child. Regardless whether the child was conceived due to insufficient birth control on a woman's part, wouldn't the "responsible" choice then be an abortion if the mother was unable to care for her child? Bringing a child into the world simply because you became pregnant isn't necessarily the best choice; you have to consider all the factors involved.
     
    DeniseJ, Jul 10, 2006 IP
  4. DeniseJ

    DeniseJ Live, Laugh, Love

    Messages:
    3,144
    Likes Received:
    243
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #364
    This is NOT a place for immature jibes at another's choices, Ferret and Gtech. The homosexual comment and your previous comment are unwarranted. This discussion isn't to breed hate among everyone. Please act your age!
     
    DeniseJ, Jul 10, 2006 IP
  5. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

    Messages:
    15,836
    Likes Received:
    571
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #365
    Turn it around:

    I can just see it now ferret's murder chamber, you will have to move to the city though most people who murder children are rich snobs, and live in the big city.

    Make sure the kids have a proper burial. You and yo-yo can prep the bodies and take care of the coffins, it would be great.
    -------------------
    Surely you can offer something better ferret? Your words are so easy to turn around. Besides, homosexuals don't need to worry about abortions. Isn't there an aids benefit you should be attending?
     
    GTech, Jul 10, 2006 IP
  6. joelviztech

    joelviztech Peon

    Messages:
    187
    Likes Received:
    1
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #366
    You are making the decision that a person should be killed because YOU don't think that they can be properly supported (who judges that anyways?) I think that by your definitions, I should've been aborted. My mother was an alcohol abuser and went on to become a drug abuser. I grew up in poverty and with a very emotionally disturbed parent. But I am very happy that I am alive and greatly appreciate that my mother didn't abort/kill me before i even had a chance to make a go at this life. What you are advocating is the theft of millions of people's futures.
     
    joelviztech, Jul 10, 2006 IP
  7. Cheap SEO Services

    Cheap SEO Services <------DoFollow Backlinks

    Messages:
    16,664
    Likes Received:
    1,318
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #367
    Why not? Give me one good reason why I can't refer people to the Bible which has perfectly good & reasonable answers to the problem posed in the question in this thread? AND I mean a good reason. Have a good think about this.
     
    Cheap SEO Services, Jul 10, 2006 IP
  8. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

    Messages:
    15,836
    Likes Received:
    571
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #368
    I disagree. If a mother knows she will not be able to support a baby financially or emotionally perhaps it would be in the best interest to be responsible and use birth control. The pill, a condomn, mutual hand jobs (sorry to interject that, but it would be more responsible than having unprotected sex when the mother/father clearly know they do not want kids. It's an alternative).

    I argue it because a baby cannot. The responsible choice would be to use birth control, or abstain from actual penetration. People know they do not want kids, but know the consequence of unprotected sex. Where's the responsibility in that? I know a loaded gun can go off. Despite that, I don't put it to my head and pull the trigger and hope it misses. Actions have consequences.
     
    GTech, Jul 10, 2006 IP
  9. DeniseJ

    DeniseJ Live, Laugh, Love

    Messages:
    3,144
    Likes Received:
    243
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #369
    Joelviztech, I am not advocating anything. I am not saying women SHOULD abort their children. Take a few moments to read my post before you accuse me of that. What I am saying, however, is that women should be allowed to make their decision based on what THEY believe is in the best interests of the child.

    I am glad that you were able to grow up and become a successful member of society. I am in no way advocating abortion; I am saying it is a woman's choice, and the decision should be made after all of the factors have been considered and the research has been done.

    The Whimpering Warrior, I already said you are able to speak freely. I am not going to argue against that.
     
    DeniseJ, Jul 10, 2006 IP
  10. yo-yo

    yo-yo Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    4,619
    Likes Received:
    206
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    185
    #370
    Actually, no you didn't:

    See before, you wouldn't answer "hypothetical" questions, now that you've flip-flopped on that, and want to discuss hypothetical questions, why don't you go ahead and answer it :)

    http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=1085639&postcount=243
    http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=1085639&postcount=244
     
    yo-yo, Jul 10, 2006 IP
  11. DeniseJ

    DeniseJ Live, Laugh, Love

    Messages:
    3,144
    Likes Received:
    243
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #371
    GTech, of course actions have consequences. Yes, you can get pregnant without protection. However, you can get pregnant even if you use protection. Of course, the chances of that decrease but even so. I definitely agree that couples who engage in intercourse need to be safe.

    However, you cannot change the past. What's done is done, and you have to consider everything. For some women, an abortion may be their best choice at the time. That's up to them to decide. Of course birth control is a responsible action, but you cannot rewind time and expect to re-do things and have everything turn out okay.
     
    DeniseJ, Jul 10, 2006 IP
  12. maldives

    maldives Prominent Member

    Messages:
    7,187
    Likes Received:
    902
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    310
    #372
    I don't think women should be allowed to make what ever decision they want. Do you think a women should be allowed to kill a 1 year old if she thinks she can no longer lookafter the baby??:eek:
     
    maldives, Jul 10, 2006 IP
  13. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

    Messages:
    15,836
    Likes Received:
    571
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #373
    Actually, I did, but you didn't like the answer. Once again, the answer was: Unlike you, she chose not to murder her baby.

    Her baby is now in college, and yours would have been starting kindergarten this year.
     
    GTech, Jul 10, 2006 IP
  14. ferret77

    ferret77 Heretic

    Messages:
    5,276
    Likes Received:
    230
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #374
    are you that guy from that muslim country where other religons are illegal? Do woman have equal rights in Maldives?
     
    ferret77, Jul 10, 2006 IP
  15. DeniseJ

    DeniseJ Live, Laugh, Love

    Messages:
    3,144
    Likes Received:
    243
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #375
    Maldives, I am not saying a woman she be allowed to make her decision lightly. Your example of a woman deciding to kill her one-year old child is extreme, and quite irrelevant to the topic at hand IMHO.

    I believe a woman's body, a woman's choice. That is what I believe. Do I want women to go out and have five million abortions and not think about what they are doing? Of COURSE not. I would like women to educate themselves on the facts surrounding abortion, and make their decision based on all factors and every circumstance involved. I would like them to know what they are getting into. Thankfully, the vast majority of women do, I believe.
     
    DeniseJ, Jul 10, 2006 IP
  16. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

    Messages:
    15,836
    Likes Received:
    571
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #376
    I understand Denise, and I specifically singled this sentence out to respond. It's not the past I hope to change, it's the future. In hopes that others who may borderline between what's right and wrong will read the varying opinions here and come to the conclusion that murdering babies is wrong, and decide to be responsible for their actions beforehand. You are correct, we cannot change the past, but we can aspire to hope for the future.
     
    GTech, Jul 10, 2006 IP
  17. yo-yo

    yo-yo Well-Known Member

    Messages:
    4,619
    Likes Received:
    206
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    185
    #377
    No, your dodging the question, once again. I'll make it a simple yes or no answer Gtech:

    If your sister had done the abortion your parents advocated, would you be calling her a murderrer right now?

    I even bolded and made it pretty colors just so you can't possibly happen to overlook it, now give us a YES or a NO :)
     
    yo-yo, Jul 10, 2006 IP
  18. DeniseJ

    DeniseJ Live, Laugh, Love

    Messages:
    3,144
    Likes Received:
    243
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #378
    GTech, you said previously that you do not want to judge those women who have had an abortion. So please, stop judging. What is with these remarks about Yo-yo's child? It's quite juvenile.
     
    DeniseJ, Jul 10, 2006 IP
  19. DeniseJ

    DeniseJ Live, Laugh, Love

    Messages:
    3,144
    Likes Received:
    243
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #379
    GTech, I don't believe that everyone will ever agree on this subject. I don't believe we ourselves can make a concrete distinction about what's right and wrong. What you believe is right will differ from another person, and that is why they are called opinions and not facts.

    It's admirable that you feel strongly about a cause and wish to change the future into a vision of what you believe is the "perfect world," but I don't think this issue will ever be one-sided.
     
    DeniseJ, Jul 10, 2006 IP
  20. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

    Messages:
    15,836
    Likes Received:
    571
    Best Answers:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    #380
    If bolded and colored text is what it takes for you to see an answer:

    Unlike you, she chose not to murder her baby.

    Let me know if you need it a little bigger ;)
     
    GTech, Jul 10, 2006 IP