How does the baby feel about it? 5 weeks. How about one more condition for the choices? Being responsible in the first place by using birth control or recognizing that without it, there is a great chance of getting pregnant. That would be better. I suspect the reason why some of us put forth our opinion, is because no one condider's the baby's right or it's "place to say." It takes two to get pregnant. A man is not just a donor. He is as responsible for his actions that led to a pregnancy (whether wanted or unwanted) as the female is. If a female doesn't wish to become pregnant, she should take appropriate measures *beforehand* rather than reacting with murder after it's too late. Likewise, if a male wishes not to have a baby, he should come (no pun intended) prepared. Lack of responsibility for one's actions is no excuse for murder.
Baby is about the size of the grain! Baby is growing day by day (a process that continues even after the birth).
It's not always that easy: Rape. Divorce/Split up Death Life circumstance Financial problems ect A man *is* just a donor as far as the physical stages of birth are concerned. Seeing as this is regarding the physical stage of birth, it's totally down to the mothers decision - the father should only be allowed to influence this. The mother should have the overall say as to if she wants to give birth or not as it's her body.
I was baptised and then when I was older, 17 I went through a confirmation. Like a baptism but when you're older. Fourth commandment - Keep the Sabbath holy
I don't contend that being responsible is easy. See my response though, regarding rape/incest on page one (I believe). Tough choices should be made before having sex, not after. A lack of responsibility doesn't excuse murder. I disagree with this *opinion*, entirely. I don't often argue hypothetical situations, but I'll give one a try: If a mother, who wants to have her baby, is pregnant (let's say 7 months just for the sake of argument) and someone decides to mug her on the street one night. She tries to fight off the mugger and during the struggle, the mugger shoots her in the stomach. Is the mugger charged with petty theft? Is he charged with murdering her unborn child? Since the child apparently has no value, should the mugger be given probation for petty theft? We can also look at the case of Lacy Peterson, who was murdered, along with her unborn child. One murder, or two?
See the following post for more information regarding the heart beat and development of a baby: http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showpost.php?p=1085699&postcount=242
so when are you guys going to go down to the ghetto to volenteer for babysitting? You know because those children are so important to you.
But not murdering a baby? So the gun goes off accidentally, or for the sake of argument, a gun isn't even used...the mugger has no gun and tackles the pregnant mother, falling on her and killing her child. In which case, the mugger didn't use a gun, and should be given probation for murdering a child?
Turn it around and see how it works: so when are you guys going to go down to the ghetto to volunteer to murder some unborn children? You know because those children have no value to you.
I don't think we can argue with hypothetical situations because they're just that -- hypothetical. As far as considering the child's life, isn't it better to consider the life circumstances that child may go through if it's born? I think a child has the right to lead a GOOD life... but if a mother cannot provide for her unborn child for whatever reason (financial difficulties, rape, divorce, etc as Blitz said) I think it would be in the best interests of the child to go ahead with an abortion. In any case, like I've said we are in no position to judge another for her actions. There are many reasons women can choose to have an abortion, and those reasons are personal and what she felt was the best choice at the time. I'm not talking about women who may abuse the privilege of abortions; I am talking about the vast majority of women who do their research beforehand and understand the physical and emotional risks an abortion entails.
Oh! And we as a successful human race know what the best interests are? We have no idea about ourselves. We think we do but we fail ourselves time and time again. It's easy to speak about these things in a forum but how does it go for us in real terms? Simply put, I would rather put my trust in the perfect wisdom of God's word. It has all the answers to any of life's problems. You can all tell me it's just a story, but all the does is confirm to me that you have barely opened it to read what's inside it.
Man this forum isn't a church, stop preaching in every post you make. We don't all believe in silly gods and books telling us how to live our lives, and we're never going to.
The Whimpering Warrior, first of all you took my comment out of context. Secondly, I've said it before and I'll say it again -- religious viewpoints on these controversial subjects are not something I care to argue about. We operate on what we believe to be the best interests at the time, and we have to trust that the decision we made was the right choice. Not everyone believes in God or follows the Bible. Don't attempt to condemn me because I don't follow God's word. Isn't your God about tolerance? I am perfectly fine with accepting your beliefs as yours, but it has to work both ways.
Denise, I think we can argue hypothetical situations. In the case of Lacy Peterson, it was not hypothetical, she and her unborn child were murdered. What I'm suggesting as hypothetical are real world scenarios. If one submits that a baby's life has no value, despite that it has a heartbeat and the ability to feel, then until a baby is born, it has no value (at least to some). In which case, anyone could whack a mother in the stomach with a baseball bat and for the most part, not be held accountable. I don't wish to judge those who have had abortions, though I am judgemental towards those that think murdering babies is acceptable. What I hope to do, is to add another perspective to the debate. Who is a mother to decide what a child's life might, or might not be when referring to "I think a child has the right to lead a GOOD life?" A mother should be saying "I think a child has a right *to* life." No one is guaranteed a good life and that is subjective. There's an old saying: Poor planning on your part does not constitute a crisis on my part. I think the same can be applied here, except he "my part" is the baby's part. Murdering babies is not an acceptable alternative to being responsible. I wouldn't judge you by saying "your life sucks, compared to mine, therefore you don't have a right to live and I will take your life." That's absurd and irrational thinking, whether your in the womb or out of it.
You can make as many statements as you like that you are never going to. So, is this now your job to persuade others not to? What does this make you? I only invite people to look to the Bible for themselves. You know the saying "You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink"? I think this applies exactly to what I am doing. I think what you are doing is the other saying "Flogging a dead horse". In other words, every knows what's on your mind about these matters. Do you need to go further with this and bring great negativity on others?
I can just see it now Gtech's daycare center, you will have to move to the city though most people who have abortions are poor, monirities, and live in urban areas. You take care of those kids that are so important. You and rick micheal, homeloans1 can change diapers, and take care of the crack babies, it would be great.