Yes I agree that JESUS CHRIST is NOT the founder of "Christianity" , Jesus is a prophet , God sent him . God is the founder of Christianity . ---- Once Jesus answered like this : 'Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. (From the NIV Bible, Mark 12:29)" Look he said "our God", which included him to be under GOD Almighty's creation and Divine Authority, and not someone or an entity that is equal to GOD Almighty. The Bible's New Testament also records Jesus saying: ""Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good–except God alone." (From the NIV Bible, Mark 10:18)" and I have to post it again here read it please : "There is one God , and one mediator between God and men , the man Christ Jesus ; who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time" There are : 1-God ( "There is one God) 2-Mediator (one mediator between God and men) 3- The Man (the man Christ Jesus)
Oi, if you want to start taking in code like verses (with vague interpretation), then Mohamed was also predicated in the Bible (just search for Mohamed in the Bible). The Torah never mentioned Jesus specifically nor his coming. Peace,
JESUS CHRIST IS Much more than a just a Prophet; JESUS CHRIST, according to REAL Scripture (The Torah/Tanakh, The Old/New Testament.) IS "ALPHA and OMEGA ('The Beginning and The End')", "THE SON of GOD", "THE KING of Kings", "LORD of Lords", "SAVIOR", "THE MESSIAH", "JEHOVAH", "THE PRINCE of Peace", "THE SON of Man", "THE SEED of Abraham", "THE ROOT and OFFSPRING of David", "THE Second PERSON in 'The Trinity'", "THE WORD of GOD", etc. Who said/stated that there is more than "one" GOD? I certainly have not! There is ONLY ONE GOD! But it is obvious that you do not understand the make up of THE GODHEAD (Colossians 2:9); In 1John 5:7NKJV, "For there are THREE that bear record in Heaven, THE FATHER, THE WORD, and THE HOLY GHOST: and these THREE are ONE.". Let me Translate/Interpret that for you: "For there are THREE (Members of THE GODHEAD) that bear record in Heaven, 1) THE FATHER [GOD], 2) THE WORD [of GOD; aka, JESUS CHRIST], and 3) THE HOLY GHOST [THE POWER of GOD; aka, THE HOLY SPIRIT]: and these THREE [PERSONALITIES] are [ONLY] ONE [GOD]." And we who believe ON JESUS CHRIST, as oppose to believing you, a muslim, and your misinterpretation of Scripture totally contra to your entire belief system, are commanded and told in Scripture, "Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to CHRIST. For in HIM dwells all THE FULLNESS of the GODHEAD bodily; and you are complete in HIM, who is THE HEAD of all principality and power." And just before JESUS CHRIST Ascended back into HEAVEN, after HIS RESURRECTION (something muslims are still waiting for Mo-ham-mad to do, huh?), HE Gave the Following Statement and Command (from Matthew 28:18-20NKJV) "All authority has been given to ME in Heaven and on Earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in THE NAME of THE FATHER and of THE SON and of THE HOLY SPIRIT, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I AM with you always, even to the end of the age; Amen." Now, a little English 101: Grammatically, it is impossible to "baptize" in "THE NAME (singular)" of 3 PERSONS (THE FATHER. . .THE SON. . .and THE HOLY SPIRIT). You can ONLY "baptize" in "THE NAME (singular)" of 3 PERSONS (THE FATHER. . .THE SON. . .and THE HOLY SPIRIT)". . .if those 3 PERSONS are really just THE ONE GOD. And just before Paul stated this in 1Timothy 2:5 (funny you didn't tell us where that Scripture was located), he state in vss 3-4, "For this is good and acceptable in the sight of GOD our SAVIOR, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of THE TRUTH." Now then WHO is "GOD our SAVIOR"? See how you miss stuff when you take a verse of Scripture out of its Proper Context? 1) That True. . .made up of 3 Personages: GOD THE FATHER, THE WORD of GOD [JESUS CHRIST] and THE HOLY GHOST/SPIRIT [THE POWER of GOD]; Here's a way to understand it: There is not part of GOD that is not GOD; or to state it another way: EVERYTHING About GOD IS GOD; GOD THE FATHER IS GOD; GOD's WORD is GOD; GOD'S WORD Became JESUS CHRIST ["flesh"; a Human]; GOD'S POWER IS GOD, THE HOLY SPIRIT. And EVERY Part of GOD IS as much GOD as GOD IS GOD. 2) JESUS CHRIST IS Both GOD and Man; HE IS GOD because ONLY GOD can Satisfy GOD; HE IS Man, because Mankind was/is messed up and needed/needs a SAVIOR and an EXAMPLE of how to Approach THE MOST HOLY GOD. . .and that is what A Biblical "Mediator" is all about! 3) See my #2 Response.
Then you're just going to have to show up where: Book, Chapter and Verse??? And in its proper context please. . .because if you don't, then I certainly will. That is not what you originally stated; now you want to throw in the word "specifically". Here is what you originally state: And one reason JESUS CHRIST is not "specifically" mentioned, in The Torah, is because GOD didn't command HIS NAME to be CALLED "JESUS" until after Joseph and Mary were betrothed. And both SolutionX and myself has shown you Scriptures, from The Torah, that speak of JESUS' Coming. If you're unable to understand them, then that's not our fault. Not without JESUS CHRIST, THE PRINCE of PEACE!!!
GOD has many "sons", but ONLY through/in JESUS CHRIST, via being "Born Again". JESUS CHRIST IS THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON of THE FATHER. And no, GOD did not impregnate the virgin Mary through Sexual Intercourse, but through another type of Intercourse---Conversation (Luke 1:26-38). And for the 'ats/ags', yes you can do that too, provided you're GOD.
Sorry , I didn't understand ,yes or no ? is there one or few/many "the son of God" ? there are several texts in which talking about "Sons of God " KJV Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? KJV Job 2:1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD KJV Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. KJV Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare [children] to them, the same [became] mighty men which [were] of old, men of renown. And : For God so loveth the world, that he hath given his only son, that none that believe in him, should perish: but should have everlasting life. —John 3:16, Tyndale translation, 1534 version (modern spelling). But then later the begotten word added to the text : For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son that whosoever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life. —John 3:16, King James Version (KJV), 1611. But here : For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. —John 3:16, New International Version (NIV), 1973. begotten Son is added like a footnote not in a text The NIV adds as a footnote, 3:16 Or his only begotten Son
But did you look into the original language, and the context around those specific verses, and the cultural references, and the cross references, to see what is actually meant by the author at the time of writing, each different time it is translated into English as "the son of God"? You always have to take the context into account to understand the true meaning of the words. When the translators made the English Bibles they tried to translate word for word as much as possible and leave figuring out the context up to other people. I think somewhere along the line people forgot about this and gave up though, and that's maybe why things get so complicated now. Not to mention that there are so many differing opinions on what the actual historical contexts are in many cases. It sucks. All you can really do to keep from going mad is to stick to the big picture and remember that no matter what anybody or anything says, it's pretty obvious that Jesus suffered so much because God loves everyone, and that we really don't even deserve it. Knowing that doesn't earn you eternal salvation IMO, but it sure does give you a feeling of peace and comfort when you're down, and it helps keep you from getting overly proud when you're up. The hardest part is remembering, and I guess that's where faith and the Holy Spirit come in.
I gave you the correct answer in my last post to you. I stand by that answer. These "sons of GOD" are Created beings, Adam and his counterparts, that were Created by GOD in Genesis 1:26-30; 2:7-8, 15-17; They are referred to in Scripture as "the sons of GOD" because, as they were Created directly by GOD, they had no Biological (Earthly) Fathers. They are referred to as "the sons of GOD", because HE Created them, but HE did not sire them. See also Luke 3:38 Any Perceived Contradiction(s) in THE WORD of GOD IS ALWAYS Interpretive. I don't use the NIV, Tindale, the Living Bible, etc. They have taken far too many liberties in Translating THE WORD of GOD [Scripture] from its original Recorded Language. I do recommend and use KJV, NKJV, NAS, Hebrew Names Version, The Complete Jewish Bible, JPS, and a very limited others. But mostly I rely on THE HOLY SPIRIT to enlighten, teach, and guide my understanding.
I'm curious what you use to "test the spirits" to make sure it really is the Holy Spirit guiding you all the time, and not another type of "spirit"? Our minds are easily deceived by all kinds of things that we never see coming because of our blindness. That may sound like an insult, but I mean it as a genuine question and possibly a warning. I'm always trying to double check my thoughts and make sure that whenever I give theological advice it is not only grounded in thorough research, but also that the end result of that theology is peace and love (not fear). Sometimes I slip up because I'm human - we all do - but I think it's the responsible thing to try and do, and is advice straight from the Apostle Paul (I think - free to correct me if I'm wrong on that, but it was one of them that said to "test the spirits".).
I really and truly appreciate your question and/or concern. I would to our FATHER in Heaven that we'd have more of this type thing, as there is not enough Brotherly Accountability within the Household of GOD. When it comes to THE WORD of GOD, I've learned that "Study" and "Prayer" (in either order), is first and foremost on my part. Then, and only then, is THE HOLY SPIRIT obligated to take over. HE is not obligated to one who has not first done what he/she was/is supposed to do. THE SPIRIT of GOD and my Spirit are to be in sync when it comes to a proper interpretation of GOD'S WORD. If there is not that 'in sync' then because I am fearfully and wonderfully made by GOD HIMSELF, there will be, call it an uneasiness, an instinct, or whatever, that just won't allow me rest when it comes to that particular THING of GOD. See, not only does our bodies' reject telling a lie, it also rejects receiving a lie. When it comes to THE WORD of GOD [Scripture], it has to line up with ALL other Scripture in ONE and ONLY ONE WAY: PERFECTLY. Anything short of that is Either a false spirit and/or an Interpretive Problem. Either way, GOD leads those who Sincerely and/or Truthfully seek out HIS INERRANT WORD, into "ALL TRUTH". Finally, I guard jealously, THE WORD of GOD. Therefore, I don't really worry about someone/something trying to deceive/mislead me. . .what I would be concerned about is when THE HOLY SPIRIT ever decided not to show/reveal it to me. And thank you again for your inquiry and/or concern. I welcome you advice, comments, etc. IN CHRIST JESUS, Nehemiah,
The simple fact that you are so confident in your ability to interpret the Holy Spirit is the very reason why I'd be so cautious before really listened to anything you say. Not saying it's impossible that you're right, but it makes me very nervous. You seem very fired up all the time, and I've seen it over and over again. Most new Christians are like that for quite a while and then when it wears off they feel like God has forsaken them, but the lucky ones eventually come back around and realize they were just on a very big ego trip serving themselves more then serving the Lord, and the lucky ones learn from it and let it humble them rather them completely giving up or getting angry at God. I'm not sure why it works that way, but it's happened to me too. Several times actually. Good luck. Hope you don't crash too hard and I hope you don't damn too many people along the way, because the guilt of hypocrisy catches up to you pretty fast when you start to come down from the high.
I have been a Minister/Servant and Teacher of The GOSPEL of JESUS CHRIST for 25 years, this May. I have been Saved since April of 1982. It hasn't been all Peaches and Cream, but it has remained constantly Growing into adulthood as a Disciple of JESUS CHRIST. I don't mind being labeled a "Christian" (and am proud to be named with some of them), but I prefer "Disciple". I subscribe ONLY to the word of GOD, and no man-made Religion and/or Denomination. And you're right about being cautious; but not to worry, I am very very committed to my LORD and my GOD. And although no offense taken, I don't believe in "Luck"; good or bad. And I do look forward to further communicating with you. NT,
Interesting. You get paid for being a minister? What would happen to your job if you changed your theology?
Michael_Goldman thanks, it will be intresting to read. --- So we have conclusion that there are other "the sons of God". And they dont have biological fathers (Earthly) like as Jesus. Then "God" has several "Sons". One point here maybe like this, "Sons of God" dont have right to marry. But others married, then it can be questioned that are they the real "Sons of the God" ? Now if we will look at the word "Son of God" in Bible maybe we will find it not in biologically mean. And Jesus by himself prayed to God. Then this makes it clear Jesus is not God.( As you agree too that there is only One God . ) And Jesus says :"Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good–except God alone." So the one whis perfect is God. And Jesus declares that No once is good except God. it can be understanded that There is one God and there is not God in "shape" of man(maybe the word shape is not right one to use). We see that the word "Son of God" is used in general way. Lets assume that Adam was a "Son of God" , then his sons were "Sons of Sons of God" , in another way they were "Sons of God" too. Then we are all "Sons of God"...So instead of using "Son of God" it will be ok to use the word kinda "slave","Created being"(as we all have been created by God) -- And another note about Jesus. Jesus was announced as a "Son of God" just after baptized . --- With big respect to Jesus (Isa)(pbuh)
ziya, you're actually making me think about this. A lot of warning triggers are going off in my mind, but I'm also realizing that most of those warnings are from false doctrine that I soaked up as a teenager. I'm going to spend some time and look into it a little because you present a pretty strong argument. Disturbing as it may be.
Actually, I can't quite make enough sense out of it because the English is slightly off and I just quit smoking cigarettes, so my concentration isn't very good right now, and I don't have the patience to sort through all the threads. I'm interested though if you would point me to an organized and well written internet article on the subject.
Very!!! No; but I am well Compensated. It would "be accursed"; My "theology" is JESUS CHRIST, and JESUS CHRIST ALONE! That is not up for Compromise, Debate, and/or Change. And most certainly not a cause of concern for my secular/physical livelihood.