Religion has nothing to do with my opinions. I am an atheist. However, this is a question of where one person's right begin and another's end. You are trying to say one person's right to happiness overrules another's right to life. That is a terrible way of thinking because life is the most basic of human rights. Having a child is life-altering, I agree 100%. However, so is killing another human being. Sure, it's the woman's body, but she made a choice not to use birth control. Now, you're going to bring up rape victims. What about them? The rapist should be harshly punished of course, but why do you want to punish an innocent infant? Think of it this way, when you're parent commits a crime, do you go to jail? Why murder a helpless baby for another's crimes?
If genetic material is what defines a human, then how about animals that have had human parts grown on them. We all remember that picture of a mouse with an ear on it's back. Does that make it human too?
That's what Eve thought too! How wrong was she? Look at the ramifications she caused? Now we all die because of her huge error.
Nope I'm for the death penalty. I wish we'd introduce it over here in the UK. I might empty our jails so we can give longer sentances to criminal scum. Shot you down on that one
Dude, it's a story. If that's the best argement you can up with then nobody is going to take you seriously.
I think it's great having this ignore button. I now no longer have to put up with MattUK's rubbishy and negative comments. hehehehe. I can see he makes comments but I can't read them. hehehehe
And I welcome that shoot down, though I do find that *most* that support murdering innocent babies scream the loudest opposing the death penalty for murders and pedophiles. It's as if to say "I support killing babies, but when a murder kills a pregnant mother, I support keeping the murderer alive." Makes no sense. It's refreshing to see consistency, though highly unusual for this topic. I disagree with murdering innocent babies whose only fault in life so far was having parents who refuse to take responsibility for their actions. However, for what may be the first time, I agree with your statement above very much.
Uh-oh! Looks like more "negos" are popping up. Thank you "yo-yo" for your wonderful, warm, sincere and heartwarming comment. I will cherish each word forever.
I don't tend to have consistant political or religious views. I make my own mind up for what I feel is right and fair. I'd probably class myself as right wing, I believe in - low taxation - pro choice - military action where justified - tough on criminals - centralised non-interventive government It's actually people like The Whimpering Warrior that put me off the organised church as a whole. People with closed minds unable to accept other religions or their views. Because their views are right everybody has to live with them. It's like they're too scared to accept that people can make their own choices and live by them. People like that are no different from fundamentalist Muslims in my eyes. The beauty of living in a democracy is people can make their own choices, be thy right or wrong.
Or the non-religious who force their views on everyone. I don't see abortion as a religious issue. It's an issue of whether one thinks murdering babies is an acceptable practice or not. My parents wanted my sister to have an abortion because she became pregnant early in life. She didn't want to. Everytime I see my nephew, who graduated HS in the top of his class and just completed his second year in college, it reminds me that murdering innocent babies is not a good idea.
Me either, I don't see why the wacko keeps quoting the bible as it's completely irrelevant in this arguement. I'm glad to hear that, just as much as I believe people should not have the right to abortion taken away from them, I believe that it would be much worse to have it forced on someone against their will. I'm glad you ahve a nephew to be proud of However you may have though differently if your sister was raped, thrown out of her home by your parents because she couldn't have an abortion and then ended up dieing because she was homeless and on drugs. Each case in individual in itself, I firmly believe that people (most people) don't take the issue of abortion lightly or use it as a form of birth control.
The whimpering warrior is someone who should be banned from forums, not the person who passionately argues for his/her beliefs. People who are closed-minded religious rightwingers are even worse that logic-lacking liberals. Even if you believed everything in the Bible is fact, you cannot use it to win arguments in any arena where you aren't surrounded by people who already agree with everything you say.
Me too. I am fiscally conservative (and therefore a HUGE opponent of the current incarnation of the republican party with Bush as the head) and socially liberal (people should be able to do as they please as long as they don't violate the rights of others). I agree with all of those, but I don't understand how someone who seems to believe in basic human rights as you do can support abortion?
There's nothing different between the non-religious forcing their opinions on others vs. the religious forcing their opinions on others. What makes one group better than another, might I ask? As far as I'm concerned, we're having a perfectly friendly debate where everyone is allowed to express their own personal beliefs. To attack another's opinions is not only wrong, it makes you look ridiculous. Let's all agree to disagree, shall we? Just as we cannot transform you into someone who is pro-choice, you cannot convince us with arguements based on the idea that abortion is murder. Some of us don't believe that. Subsequently, religious arguements hold no ground with me either.
Yet you chose to initially highlight the religious exclusively when you noted: I always find myself completely disgruntled when it comes to religious activists and their appalling ways of controlling people's lives. I didn't suggest one was better than the other. That would be speculative. What I did do, was point out that it's a two way street when non-religious people do the same thing. Perhaps you, yourself, hold the answer to your own question? What makes one group better than the other? Apparently you do not have a problem with non-religious people forcing their views on others, as you chose to omit them. So it's ok to attack another's opinion when it's based upon a religious belief? Does that make you look ridiculous too? There are plenty of people here for a popularity contest and will easily take on whatever view is most popular at the moment. I don't base my views on fads and fashions of the moment nor are they based on winning a popularity contest. I have no expectation that I will convince anyone that murdering babies is wrong. But I will express my opinion, whether you like it or not. I believe murdering babies is wrong. If you are able to convince yourself that's something honorable to do, I certainly have no chance of convincing you otherwise. BTW, are you against the death penalty?
Gtech, I wasn't omitting anyone when I spoke about religious groups. That was a comment I made in reference to a post another person had made previously. If you notice, my entire arguement was not based on attacking religious groups and their views. I won't argue with you when you say it's a two way street; it is. I wasn't attempting to attack anyone's opinion, but I sincerely apologize if that's the way it seemed. My only wish is to facilitate a friendly discussion concerning both sides of the question. As far as popularity contests go, I can assure you my arguements are based on what I truly believe, not what's fashionable at the moment. Feel free to express your opinion all you want, as a matter of fact I encourage it. You don't have to like my beliefs, and I don't have to like yours. But you already know that, so at least we are in agreement about something. I don't believe "murdering babies" is something honorable. I believe abortion is a woman's choice. There's a distinct difference, believe it or not. I don't have a concrete opinion about the death penalty at this point.