Why is it always Science v. Religion?

The Big Bang and religion do not have to conflict.
Evolution and religion do not have to conflict.
Environmental Activism and religion do not have to conflict.

Someone who believes in God would believe that God created the laws of science, correct? It would be logical to believe that before creating planets or stars, God would have set the boundaries and laws of physics, chemistry, etc.

Why then, right after setting all those laws in place, would a God ignore those laws in making is creation? Perhaps creation would be formed THROUGH the laws of science. Those who believe in God tend to pitch science and God against each other - but if someone believes God created everything, then they therefore believe that God created science as well...

 

They're saving that for a last resort.

 

I pretty much agree, science and religion go together. Science just explains how God runs things. And religion had told many facts which would have been impossible to tell back then.

 

Science is based on proof - religion is based on nothing but faith and stories taken from past religions.

That's not to say you can't believe both... but the bible pretty much goes against science. People being made from dirt and ribs etc... talking snakes... every species being on a boat

 

No It's not Science Vs Religion.........
It never was...
Science shows things the way they are....

Religion believes in Folk Tales & Myths........

Almost every religion believes that its Beginners had SUPER HUMAN POWERS>>

Science and Religion can never go Hand in Hand

 

Science can not go hand in hand. They are 2 totally different things. One believes in an invisible man.

Religion was invented to explain things science could not yet explain.

One is based on faith. The other is based on fact, proven fact.

 

Exactly. This is the point. Science is based on EVIDENCE and EXPERIMENT, religion is based on "he told me that..." ,"it is written that".

Let me rephrase and extend this point.

There is a much broader difference between Sci and Rel from a philosophical aspect.
Religion and Science do not complete each other (like previously written), on the contrary, they "live" on parallel planes and never intersect. Such intersection would prove to be devastating to one of them, most probably the religious "theory".

An example:
In the philosophy of science, a "scientific theory" is defined, among other criteria, along with a negation experiment. In other words, a scientific theory is NOT a scientific theory, unless one can think of an experiment which will disprove it.
Religion do not come with such an experience. For people with faith, NEVERMIND what happens, god will still exist. i.e. orthodox jews and the holocaust, where 35% of the jewish people, god's "chosen" people, were murdered.

There are many other philosophical differences and similarities between science and religion, but this is one of the most prominent ones.

 

if your logic is correct than there will be no scientist that embrace any religion?

 

Finally! You don't know how annoyed I have gotten over the years with the constant Science - Religion debate taken only as Black and White. I have always taken the view that both can be one and that in all of God's power, he may have taken the 'scientific' way of doing things. I also get really annoyed by those who take the view that Religion is just a load of rubbish because there is no 'evidence' along with the fact that Religion cannot fit with science because Religion teaches 'impossible' things.

 

impossible?

our sciences barely understand it.

it is said that our knowledge is only a drop of water, where the God knowledge is all the water in this earth combined together.

 

It's really a simple answer actually.

It's because religion simply isn't taught that way. I agree your rational makes sense. That God would follow the laws of science. Except..... for Christians (for example) to believe that, they'd have to admit their bible is wrong. Because nothing in the book of genesis makes sense. A lot of the other stories don't "follow the laws of science" either.

So again, the answer is simple. The religious would have to admit most of what is stated in their scripture is simply not true in order for them to be able to even begin to have a sensible discussion about science.

I mean seriously..... a talking burning Bush, parting a sea so people could cross, instant fabrication of walking talking human beings?

 

Science & Religion are one! We believe that in islam, the quran is filled with science!

 

Sure it is....

 

yeah, I'm sure they make printouts from wikipedia, and use them as bookmarks all the time

 

I believe that in principle it is true that religion and science don't really have anything to do with each other. Or at least they shouldn't. I can't take seriously any religion that tries to pretend it has anything to do with the physical world or that it's ancient myths are somehow more relevant scientifically than real scientific research.

Really science is meant to explain the explainable world. Spirituality is to explain the unexplainable world (and yes, there will always be an unexplainable world.)

 

Well put.

I'd add, that where science and religion overlap is where the explainable and explainable overlap. Until it becomes the explainable.

 

Well, that explains it

 

lol I hope he ment explainable and unexplainable

Zibblu, I agree with you. I know shocking See, not a total conservative lol. I make my own choices and never vote along party lines (considering I'm an independant, can you imagine if I voted along I party lines lol, be hard, there really aren't any)

I guess if your the son of an invisible man you can part water. And if you are that invisible man, you can make a bush catch on fire.

Scientists can be religious all they want. I know of a few that are. But, what people choose is their own business. There really is no need to debate over it. Whats the worst that will happen? This invisible man will send me to the underworld where I will burn forever?

I just have one question. Christians say Earth is the center of the universe and what not. IF that is the case, why do we revolve around a sun?

 

Funny how it's always the religious who try to convince us that "science and religion are one".
You wouldn't find Stephen Hawkins trying to attach his mathematics to religion to give them credibility, no he just provides the numbers and the evidence and it speaks for it's self. In fact, i have never seen any scientist try to use religion to support his science, yet the religious almost continuously try to use science to give their "opinions" credibility.

It says a lot about how credible even they think their beliefs are.

 

Science depends on proof.
Religion has a lot of things unexplainable by science.

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