Christianity's unanswerable question

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  2. Jackuul

    Jackuul Well-Known Member

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    Man wrote it.
     
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    Since you asked...I cannot find any myself.

    Unless you take things out of context in which they were written, then I can see how people can say there are contradictions.
     
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    From your point of view, they're only "contradictions" because you, without any depth of investigation on your part, just blindly accepted them to be such; you accepted this from someone, who probably knew/knows a heck of a lot less than you do (if you had bothered to check them out personally). . .but we'll never know that now, will we?
     
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    If you're going to buy into the myth that Scripture [THE WORD of GOD] is "full of contradictions", you should at least list one (or two); that way, we can all see just how severely lacking in intellect, and/or investigative skills, you really are.

    Think about it, if you're smart enough to believe that there is no GOD, then shouldn't you be smart enough to know whether what you perceive to be a "contradiction", is really a "contradiction"???

    But then, in the kingdom of the blind (those who accept the list), the one eye (the list provider) is king.
     
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    There are no contradictions in the Bible just things the blind don't understand.
     
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    wwstewart Well-Known Member

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    Well, to be fair, I know that people get 'thou shalt not kill' confused as a contradiction with God telling certain people to totally wipe out others. Funny, they forget that God was instructing people directly back then in order to carry out certain things.

    Still, there is harmony in the scriptures.

    As for the 'blind' not understanding it, that's true, but there are also many who claim they follow the Bible, but instead follow their own interpretation of it rather than holding to the words spoken IN CONTEXT in the scriptures.

    Oh, I checked out the list of "contradictions". Most of them are a stretch. Many of them are taken from different translations. Others are total silliness.

    I still see no hard evidence of a true contradiction. If you have specific questions, feel free to ask.
     
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    For anyone to say that have to be blind, or denial. Here's a random one I clicked on because I saw the word "sin":

     
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    Now, if they were blind, they could hardly be posting here, so that leaves...

    Denial is the habitual state of the evangelizing Christian. I have had hundreds of conversations with them. Some very fine people. Constitutionally incapable, to a one, of maintaining a rational discussion without resorting to absurdities like this.

    The reason there are so many contradictions in the Bible is because it is the work of many different writers from different cultures, all memorializing events that occurred decades or centuries earlier. Anyone who looks at what we actually know about the origins of these texts would conclude that they are sacred verse from a middle Eastern tradition, and hang together about as well as Summerian, Babylonian, Greek, or other local literary traditions.

    The difference is that the others were not adopted by the culture parasite which sprouted in Rome, evolved into the European Empires, and spread its sickness across the globe.
     
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    jumpboy11jaop Peon

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    and nehemiah- In the absence of a god, there can be no word of god. We say there is no god. Something cannot be said to exist unless proven so, and you have yet to offer up one iota of proof.

    You want the full list of contradictions at the site?
     
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    You should have also seen the word "iniquity", which is moral perversion passed on to others; while "sin" is your will over and against GOD'S Will.

    Moral perversion ("iniquity") that is passed on, as a lifestyle, dooms everyone who practices it.

    Sin on the other hand is more individual. Plus, the Scripture from "DEU 24:16" (note verse 14: "Thou shalt not oppress a hired servant that is poor and needy...", deals with how Israel was suppose to deal with male servants and their families. If the "servant" father of the family committed a sin that was punishable by death, then it was to be only his death and not the death and/or punishment of his entire family.
    Can you see it now?

    Next?
     
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    Since you're an 'at', and believe that GOD doesn't exist, then you must not exist, huh? Because for you, the 'at', to exist, GOD, which you don't believe in, would have to exist; otherwise, you the 'at':eek:, don't exist.

    So just by virtue of the fact that you, the 'at', exist, proves that GOD IS.

    :DSomebody give him a popsicle headache asprin:D!
     
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    "cogito ergo sum"- I think, therefore I exist (Descartes)

    Obviously, I exist. That is no proof of a god, though.
     
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    It seems funny to me that God provides us just enough evidence to either convince us that He does exist, or convince us that he does not, thereby leaving it up to us whether we choose to follow Him or not. We have a choice whether we believe in Him or not.

    You list of contradictions are not truly contradictions, if one were to put some honest study into what they are reading. It is easy to make the Bible say anything you want with a bit of word play. The fact is though, that it's not open to private interpretations, because when you do that you ARE getting the word of man rather than the word of God.

    You seem to be asking for physical proof that God exists. You ask that because you know that there really isn't any proof, unless you have faith that He does exist. Without faith, belief is useless. It's a common word trap that non-believers use against those who believe to try to shake our faith.

    Sorry, it's not working.

    Let's look at this example that has been brought up:

    The reason I can say that this is not a contradiction is clear, provided you actually look at the scripture. People who say these are contradictions are merely parsing words to fit their own belief.

    The first one, Isaih 14:21 is speaking about the king of Babylon, and goes on to speak of Lucifer. If you look, it says:



    Now, looking at your second half of the 'contradiction', we have this:

    This passage from Deuteronomy is basically a list of laws that were given to the people. This was one of the laws that they had to live by.

    WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE SAME THINGS IN THESE TWO PASSAGES!

    It bothers me to think that atheists will simply parse words WITHOUT using reasonable arguments, logic, or even daring to read the texts that they are condemning before trying to make an argument.

    These passages are utterly different, talking about totally different situations in totally different contexts. They ARE NOT contradictions at all.

    EDIT: I just want to know...does this still mean I'm blind or in denial? Because it sounds like, to me, I can actually string together a coherent argument since I actually read things in context before I try to prove or disprove them... :D
     
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    wwstewart you are WRONG, in denial and don't know what contradiction means, so let's look up what contradiction means:
    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/contradiction
    Just because a case may involve different people or situations do not mean it is not contradictory. A "god" creating rules for one group of people and yet doing something totally opposite to a different king, children, and people of babylon is still a contradiction. :rolleyes: The same so-called "god" is inconsistent.

    Then you need to clean your ears. I guess this means you are blind, in denial, and deaf. :D



    Now to Nehemiah:
    Your arguement is poor and doesn't make sense. A moral perversion is a sin, and Christians consider moral perversions as sins.:rolleyes: If it is a moral perversion, then it is against your "god's" will, which make it a sin. There is no logical way to separate a moral perversion from being a sin. Example: Christians say someone having gay sex is a sin. Now why? Because they claim their god say its immoral (a moral perversion)
    So in the above scriptures I quoted your god is still being contradicting.
     
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    Jumpboy , in our faith we have answers to all of that. For me to go into that would mean a debate with other christian faiths, and since it would make no sense i wont go there. The most important thing here for us to understand is that most athiests on this forum are starting to doubt their beliefs because as you can see this thread is basically an upsidedown copycat thread for the unanserable athiest question:D, and this is great news. The seed has been planted. God does work in mysterious ways and I have a feeling that threads will impact many athiests and many people viewing it beyond these years. You guys rock:D
    god bless ya all

    I try never to evangalize. I prefer to let my treatment of all my human brothers and sisters do my talking for me:)
     
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    No, he's not. If you READ the scripture, you will see that as the Creator, he is also the final judge of mankind, and able to deal out punishment to those who do not follow him.

    I'm not sure if you have kids, but if you do...when they do wrong, do you punish them? If a parent didn't punish his/her children, what kind of parent would they be?


    You insist that I am wrong, however all you do is say "no, you are wrong" with no evidence to the contrary, save the parsing of words.

    With that, let's do this.

    I absolutely agree with your definition.

    And still, in accordance with your definition, you do not have two statements that contradict. If they were talking about the exact same thing and said what they say, then YES, that would be a contradiction. Since they do not, it is not a contradiction.

    Your argument seems to be this:

    'The Bible says "yes" here....and it says "no" here. That's a contradiction!!! Oh NOES!!!"

    This is a contradiction: "The red sheep was blue."

    I don't want to teach a class in the English language today. Your contradictions are not contradictions, according to even your definition.

    You cannot 'pick and choose' arguments and call them solid.


    In addition: if you still think, after that, that you have a contradiction, here's further proof that you do not.

    The first verse says what God will do.

    The second, what man cannot do.


    Wow. Sounds pretty clear to me.
     
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    What are you, an undercover Believer now? First you believe it to be a "contradiction"; when you're shown that its not, then you try and show yourself as "a shade tree Bible scholar". You don't know enough. If you did, you wouldn't have thought it to be a "contradiction" in the first place. . .or would have at least had the good sense to investigate it before you bought it, hook, line, and sinker.

    Finally, you're:confused: an 'at'; you:confused: don't believe there is GOD; Ergo, how can THE GOD that you don't believe IS, possibly be "contradicting:eek:" and "inconsistent:eek:", if HE is not?
     
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    I made this thread to mock the ridiculousness (is that a word :confused:) of the thread of a similar name.

    Ever heard of satire?

    I have no doubt that there is no god, especially not the christian god.

    Stating your beliefs is not evangelizing. Now, it seems to be pretty obvious that those contradictions are contradictions, thus making the bible imperfect, and thus not the perfect work of a perfect god.

    Besides, we have answered the 'unanswerable' atheist question, tried to teach you to the best of our ability. You have failed as a student, but I suppose that was to be expected.

    Please do go into your beliefs in detail. If necessary I'll try to hold off the horde of christians saying that you will go to hell.
     
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    First of all, wtf is an 'at'? An atheist? If so, it would be preferable for you to write it out, lest us "'at's'" begin to call you a 'ch', or a 'th', instead of christian/theist.

    Have you not heard of a hypothetical?

    At least get a dictionary.
     
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