Israel warns: free soldier or PM dies

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by dilipsam, Jul 1, 2006.

  1. chulium

    chulium Well-Known Member

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    #21
    That was before the terrorist organization Hamas came to power.
     
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  2. dilipsam

    dilipsam Well-Known Member

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    #22
    The Palestinian government is Hamas a terror group voted by the terrorists, for the terrorists and of the terrorist. Hence the majority Palestinians are terrorists.
     
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  3. ly2

    ly2 Notable Member

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    #23
    The Jews were there long before the Palestinians, they just came back and claimed their land. It's been almost 75 years now since it happen, GET OVER IT ALREADY.

    Better yet, go read that fucking Koran some more and get more insane. Don't read anything educational or learn anything, just keep reading that book of evil and living in clay huts. Meanwhile, blaming the state of your poor and hungry country and the evil Jews.
     
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  4. Rick_Michael

    Rick_Michael Peon

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    #24
    Who knows if he'll be harmed or not...but generally this sounds a bit out there. I'll have to look into it myself,.... for some reason I think a second source is needed.
     
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  5. yo-yo

    yo-yo Well-Known Member

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    #25
    I don't believe in silly fairy tale books either ;)
     
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  6. chulium

    chulium Well-Known Member

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    #26
    Then you believe lies.
     
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  7. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #27
    Not even molten steel fairy tales?

    Considering Hamas is a terrorist organization and also the elected government of the palestinian people and you've clearly taken their cause to be your own, what other terrorist organizations do you support?
     
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  8. yo-yo

    yo-yo Well-Known Member

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    #28
    Umm.. I don't read the Koran (and have no desire to).... I'm just looking at the situation from an unbiased (have nothing to gain from either side) point of view.

    1. The palestinians were living there.
    2. Jew's started immigrating over.
    3. Jews are persecuted in europe and zionism is created.
    4. Jews flood over to Palestine to escape europe.
    5. The UN votes to give half of palestine to Jews and call it Israel.

    That's the simple facts. The palestinians got screwed out of their land and homes wether you like it or not. And you BS excuses that the Jews lived there 3,000 years ago are irrelevant to present day. We're not going to just "give back" all the land that every little group of people once lived in thousands of years ago.

    The only reason you're pro-israel is because you have prejudice and hatred for Palestinians or you simply beleive it's ok to kick people out of their homes and tell them to "get over it" :rolleyes:
     
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  9. yo-yo

    yo-yo Well-Known Member

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    #29
    There you mormon's go again... telling me what I should believe in, thinking you know better than everyone else... proving the stereotypes true ;)
     
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  10. chulium

    chulium Well-Known Member

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    #30
    No, I'm just getting at this point: What truth do you believe in? How do you ~KNOW~ it is the truth? And why do you believe it?

    I'm not saying "We're right, you're wrong, and you better believe us or else and thus you HAVE to believe us, yada yada..." ... I'm just trying to make a point. What foundation do you have for your beliefs and values?
     
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  11. chulium

    chulium Well-Known Member

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    #31
    More like this:

    1. Jews lived there.
    2. Palestinians came in a thousand years later (well, Arabs at least)
    3. Arabs started a war
    4. Arabs became the established state of Palestine in that area
    5. Arabs & Jews fighting
    6. Palestine elects terrorist leaders
    7. Jews fight terrorists
     
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  12. GTech

    GTech Rob Jones for President!

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    #32
    Funny, you never had an issue with Mormans until you learned that was his religion. Though you've always made clear you hate Christians and Jews in general.

    Maybe if the Morman faith incited it's members to kill Christians and Jews where they lie and besiege them and smyte them about the neck, you wouldn't have a problem with them? Food for thought ;)
     
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  13. yo-yo

    yo-yo Well-Known Member

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    #33
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine

     
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    #34
    If that's true, how come that the terrorism before Israel was formed was 5 times higher than the one today :confused:
     
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  15. bugon

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    #35
    Well, this is somewhat of an exaggeration. Israel as a people existed from perhaps 1500 BC. (The first external [i.e., non biblical] reference to Israel is the Merneptah Stele from about 1350 BC.

    As for the Palestinians, as a clear entity, it only existed over the past 80 years or so. Certainly less than 100 years. For example, the grand mufti of Jerusalem, Amin al-Husayni, called for unity with Syria in the very early 20's (Palestine was simply southern Syria). Or, during that time, the British called all residents of Palestine as palestinians, including the Jews and Arabs alike (that is, palestinians did not refer to a specific arab population).

    The palestinian population today comprises Arabs originally living in the area as well as families which immigrated from around palestine (e.g., syria and lebanon) concurrently to the jewish immigration (which brought economical revival to the area). In any case, the Palestinian population is a mix of decedents of the pre-Arab population which lived in the area, including Jews, Romans, Crusaders etc. Ironically, Jews and Palestinians (and other levantine arabs) are genetically more related to each other than levantine arabs are to other Arab nations (e.g., of Arabia or northern Africa) or Jews are to Europeans (e.g. read this)

    As for the origin of the name Palestine, it comes about after the Jewish revolt of 132 AD. Hadrian changed the name from Judea province to Syria Palaestina, as a psychological warfare. (named so after the ancient philistines who were long gone from history by that time).
     
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  16. earlpearl

    earlpearl Well-Known Member

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    #36
    While this is anothe miserable escalating situation, I like the above description.

    As a country Israel has been around for over 50 years. Why is it that the rest of the middle east hasn't been able to push for peace and instead attacks the hell out of Israel instead of coming up with ways to solve the Palestinian situation. There have been so many opportunities to create peace. For the most part crummy governments prefer to point the finger at Israel, feed the hatred, and prolong the situation rather than help create a peaceful place for Palestinians.

    Frankly Israel took the most concrete steps recently by creating a distinct Gaza.

    Now some terrorist idiots are f*cking it up by tunneling under Gaza and Israel attacking the Israeli army and kidnapping a soldier. What a bunch of demented morons that are responsable for heightening tensions that only have more miserable results for all.
     
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  17. bugon

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    #37
    Actually, this is incorrect. Some of the Qassams (but not all) are fired by Hammas people, who as you know are in officially in power. So, a more correct comparison would be to a group of guys from canada who are members of the ruling Liberal Party, would would come to the border and shoot some rockets into the US and the Canadian government would say that the Americans deserve it. Under such conditions, American would not stay put...

    In any case, a government has responsibility over activities under its control. This implies that it is the responsibility of the Hammas government to control also rockets fired by fractions not belonging to the Hammas. If they support these activities (and they do so verbally), they are just as responsible as the rocketeers.

    Actually, Israel withdrew from Gaza and wants to unilaterally withdraw from west bank territories (ironically, with Palestinian objections :confused: ). These rockets are the reward it gets. Go figure.

    As for Cuba, the current government denounces the lease of Guantanamo, since it was procured by force in the 1898 war with spain, such that according to article 52 of the 1969 Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties, the treaty is void, at least according to Castro. So as Americans, we may not see Guantanamo as occupied land, but the Cuban government now does.

    Anyway, here is another comparison. What about Iraqis blowing American soldiers in Iraq. They see the US army as an illegitimate occupying force. Does this mean that it's their legitimate right to blow Americans and civilians?
     
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  18. bugon

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    #38
    Here's a similar puzzle:

    How do you cut a cake into two and give 80% of it to each one?
     
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    #39
    If American soldiers raped and murdered your family would you hesitate to blow them up? :cool:
     
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    #40
    I would like to point out zionism started before the persecution of the jews during hitlers reign.It started in the mid to late 1800's,so you little crippled hippys get your facts strait.
    I would also like to point out as having a history degree myself,about 50,000 jews moved to israel in early 1900's.
    I would also like to point out SOME muslims helped hitler during the war.
     
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