The raw between US and Russia continues, although with a "positive" mood: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7877415.stm What do you reckon, will the shield be placed or not? What do you think on this issue, is it really targetted against Iran?
Maybe but it sure gives russia the jitters. Nuclear detente works when both sides are vulnerable, if a particular side has a total umbrella protection from missile attacks then the other side keeps on developing weapons to pierce that shield and no guesses for the outcome of that particular race.
I don`t think its a defensive ploy...this is gonna lead to even more wranglings between the 2 countries(US & Russia). Obama has shown signs of a toned down approach in his foreign policies, though, i must admit!!
Russia still thinks if anyone protects themselves against attack, then they are gearing up to attack Russia. It's easy to sell the bill of goods to poor people.
For the US military complex it is just business, to make money. Of course only ignorant people and idiots believe Iran will fire missiles at US. Same storry was with Iraq. Did you remember the case for war on Iraq, ..........the WMD? The very same people who support the missile shield in Europe are the same who supported Bush all along with his war on Iraq and as the whole world saw it, it all ended up with the greatest failure ever for US. This "shield has nothing else in mind" but to devide Europe and weaken Russia. Russia has huge mineral resources and can be really Powerwul Player in the world arena. That's why US wants to always create all sorts of troubles in, with, and around Russia. The one who calls the shots in the world the US imperialists believe will get the most $$$$, ....... FALSE THINKING! Just look at the US economy now. No country is even thinking of starting a war with America. All this Iranian missiles BS is for the fools in America who know nothing other than what CNN and the White house tells them. Some in US want to give as much problems to Russia as they can. The US generals know very well that the "shield" will not protect America from the Russian nukes. Russia has all it needs in abandance, it is even way too much for them. They don't need to attack anybody. This shield will do no good for US, better without it. The war on Iraq was no good, but the idiots went ahead with it and failed America...
Check your history, it's been tried before and Kennedy threatened to blow the ships out of the water and they turned around. A missile defense has less to do with Russia and more to do with other rogue nations who are actively seeking nuclear technology to cause harm to others. For instance India and Pakistan who can't seem to get along, and Pakistan dangerously close to loosing control of it's military and it's nukes. Iran, who wants to destroy Israel, but probably will shoot a wayward missile that could land anywhere in the middle east or Europe. There are many nations that want to plummet the world into a world war to promote their "religious" agenda, sitting back and doing nothing will eventually cause a disaster that could have been avoided, and the most vulnerable nations are those that don't any defense, but keep bitching about one.
Ha, ha, ha... Do you believe we believe you? READING THIS GUY, NO WONDER SO MANY AMERICANS VOTED TWICE FOR THE GREATEST FAILURE IN THE US HISTORY!
What don't you believe ? That the Cuban missile crisis never happened ? How old are you ? Here, read something: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_Missile_Crisis http://www.hpol.org/jfk/cuban/
what are talking about? the us with nato want to place (and already place some) their "defensive missiles" in russia neighboring countries. russia actually surrounded by us defensive missiles. i'm not that techie but i wonder how difficult to modified the warhead and modified their targeting system. now, if the us pissed off when russia place the missiles in cuba, why the do the same thing agains russia?
The U.S. and Russia are not enemies. We trade with each other, our leaders have open communication, and explore space together. Russia is not our enemy, so why would they be offended that we are helping other countries protect themselves against missile attack. The U.S. does not, nor are not planning any confrontation with Russia at all. None. We disagree on military and foreign policies, but that doesn't mean we want to do a sneak attack on them....it's ridiculous.
I can't stop other nations paranoia, but time and time again when there is a problem in Russia, natural disaster, agriculturally, lost submarine, or otherwise, the U.S. is always the first to extend a hand to help, before any other nation....and as soon as the crisis is over, Russia does something to tell us to go "F" ourselves. It is a love hate relationship that changes with who ever is in power for the decade. American's for the most part are happy not to be in a "real" cold war with Russia anymore and do not want to go back to those days. However it is evident to us that Russia is angry. That is common when the economy of a people is horrible. When things are good, and everyone has money in their pocket with all the comforts of trade, technology and low crime,..no one wants any problems. When things suck, you have no money and your country is in shambles, everyone wants to hate someone and blame it on them. You don't see very many, if any, nations with a comfortable standard of living spouting hate and destruction...it is only the poor countries where the people are unhappy with the current government rule, or living in fear that want to pick a fight. Just like the poor kid, with low self esteem on the playground, they have to prove to someone that they are a bad ass, since they don't have anything else. It's the old, "I don't have crap and life sucks, and it's your fault". Just about every country on earth is older than the U.S. and many of them that are poor now, were poor then. It is amazing to me how 200 years of the United states, is responsible for 5000 years of poor economy, war and strife in the eyes of many nations. who was responsible for your problems before the U.S. existed ? France ? England ? How many other people are you going to blame and for how many more hundreds of years ?
Russia's superpower days are over. They're still looking at the world as if they are or will shortly again be a superpower and that there is an imminent threat of military confrontation between them and the other superpower, the US. Once they realize they're not a superpower anymore things will go a lot more smoothly. The interests of the two nations really aren't at odds at least not more than the normal clash of interests between nations.
You just mentioned the Cuban crisis, and now you say the opposite? Did things change that much? Maybe you believe it so, but US and Russia were never close, their leaders do smile and talk BS when they meet, but in reality its not like that. Also, you mentioned Pakistan, do you know where Pakistan and where the Central Europe are on the map? +1 Exactly what I am thinking. The problem with US, is that they dont put all countries on the same level, even with big countries like Russia, thats what Putin is continuously saying on all international meetings: If you respect us, we will respect you, but if no one gives a damn and do what they want, we will do the same. Personally, I voted that it will be placed. There are 2 scenarios: 1) US places it in CE & Russia places its weaponry on the very western part of it - Kaliningrad = the shield in this case is useless (if it is aimed at Russia). Seems like both countries should be happy, isnt it? US isnt happy with this scenario, which means the shield is aimed at Russia really 2) Obama and Medvedev discuss it together and work out a solution to work together on this shield. The number 2 is unlikely to happen, imho. I dont think so, so as the rest of the world. Nowadays, "confrontation between them and the other superpower, the US" is all about nukes and not knifes like in old days. So if a country has enough nukes (and the ones that cannot be catched) to blow up not only US, but everyone on the planet, they are superpower, like it or not.
Yes they have, tremendously. Back then (and I'm only talking about the 1950's-early 1980's) the world was petrified of a nuclear holocaust between the U.S. and Russia. When I grew up we had drills in school of what to do in the event of a missile launch and schools had fall out shelters...families built bomb shelters in their basements and backyards, and the first Saturday of every month, all the municipal buildings (Fire, Police, City Government) in every major city tested their air raid sirens. T.V. stations had (and some still do) the E.R.S..the Emergency Response System...you know, where a test pattern would come on while an annoying tone played for 60 seconds ? ..and the announcer would come on and say "This has been a test of the Emergency Response System..This is only a Test." These things were all due to a very real fear, and a very real possibility of a mutual Nuclear Missile Attack between the 2 nations. You don't see these things anymore. We don't have that fear anymore that Russia and the U.S will launch enough missiles one day to destroy the world 25x's over, but many generations of Americans, and Russians lived in this fear their whole lives. We don't live like that anymore and the E.R.S. is now for dangerous weather conditions. Yes things have changed. So when I hear people from different countries say that the U.S. doesn't know what it is like....yes we do, we lived in fear of not just a war, or government oppression, or troops marching across the border..we lived in fear of complete and total destruction and a nuclear holocaust that would have destroyed the entire planet in 20 minutes, and it was a very real possibility for generations.
Interesting stuff there Thanks for sharing, I guess at that time every major capital had a bunker , At first, I found that in Moscow's underground is a whole city, then later something similar I saw on TV about London's bunker... This is all true, and ppl feared, etc., what I was saying, is that nothing changed mentally, these 2 countries still have more issue where they disagree and I believe Russia could make that route back to USSR, when they were building weapons to win a race like crazy ppl, who dont have anything else to do in their life, but they dont want it and I hope wont do it. By the way, the latest news is to reduce the number of active troops to 1 mln (if I remember correctly), 120K already sent off. I watched an interview today with one of the soviet veterans who fought in Afghanistan, he admitted that starting a ground soviet operation in Afghanistan was a mistake and said the US are doing the same mistake now.
No doubt about that and many Americans knew it before it happened. We were duped and we know it, that's why , with any luck, there won't be a Republican President that had anything to do with the last 8 years anywhere near The White House, ever.