Yes! I am on 6th position for competition of 3 million results.

The ONLY thing I do is CONTENT, CONTENT, CONTENT. I do NOTHING else to cause mine to be indexed.

How long has your site been up? Unless you catch Google in the right part of their SIX MONTH INDEXING CYCLE, you could wait for months to get indexed.

To speed up indexing, submit your site to Google every week until it is indexed. So far as I know, that is the only way to get Google to index your site soon as opposed to waiting months until Google gets around to indexing it. DO NOT SUBMIT MULTIPLE PAGES FROM THE SAME SITE - just submit your MAIN page and be sure you read the Google guidelines on how they index.

 

Thats a good tip.
+Rep for you.
Thanks!

 

I applaud your efforts as well as your achivement, however I would like to elaborate on this topic a little further

When Gauging your competition, you need to look at a few things in order to get a more accurate measure

1st, You need to conduct a search of your keywords in "quotes", http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q="webmasters+forum"&btnG=Search , as you can see the results are only 323,000, - what this indicates is that there are 323,000 pages that have your exact keyphrase somewhere in the page, or meta tags or URL

Now, you want to find out how well optimized those 323,000 pages are...

2nd, You need to conduct a search using the allintitle: command and be sure to use quotes http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=allintitle:"webmasters+forum"&btnG=Search , as you can see there are only 45,600 results, - what this indicates is that there are only 45,600 pages that have your exact keywords in the Title

3rd, you need to conduct a search using the allinurl: command and be sure to use quotes, http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=allinurl:"webmasters+forum"&btnG=Search , as you can see there are only 8,580 results, - What this indicates is that there are only 8,580 pages that have your exact keywords in the URL

*So, we can determine that there are 323,000 pages with some form of on-page optimization

* Of those 323,000 pages, only 45,600 of them are optimized in the title

* Of those 323,000 pages, only 8,580 of them are optimized in the URL

Now lets talk about the importance of having the keywords as the Domain name

Trust me, I have experimented with this, I have a website that I have done NO optimization except for having the keyword as the domain name, (it doesn't even have any content) and it is on the first page of google.

Now before everyone jumps down my throat for suggesting that you simply need the keywords in the domain to rank well, let me set the record straight... my experiment was with a none competitive long tail keyword, however, there is SOME competition!

I'm merely trying to show you how a keyword rich Domain can have a positive impact on your search ranking

I'll use your website as the perfect example, you are currently #9 for the keyword webmasters forum http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=webmasters+forum&btnG=Search

However, you are #1 for the key words the webmasters forum which is your exact domain name (is that a coincidence?... I don't think so!)

Lastly, I want to touch on the subject of using plurals (S)

Google DOES put importance on this, and once again, your website is a Perfect example

Search for: the webmasters forum and you are #1

Drop the "S" from webmasters and do a Search for the webmaster forum, you are #17... just like that!

IN Conclusion... It is beneficial to include your EXACT key words (this includes plurals) in the Title, URL, Text (and anchor text of in-bound links) also, having a keyword rich domain name will be an added benefit

I hope this helps clarify things a little better for everyone



Cheers,
Vstar

 

vstar you are true, but domain name is "only" one from very important things.. you need also good content and onpage optimalization

 

For what it's worth, statistics can come up with all sorts of odd results. For example:

• I have a keyword phrase that is #1 in Google. WordTracker shows it gets only 570 searches a month, but Google Analytics shows that same keyword phrase giving me 1,727 visitors a month! Interesting — far more search-engine-related visitors than searches!

• At the other end of the ridiculous spectrum, I have a keyword phrase that is #2 in Google. WordTracker shows that keyword getting 16,560 searches a month. But Google Analytics shows it bringing only 511 visitors.

In my opinion, the one statistic that really matters is: How many visitors is your keyword generating? Rankings mean nothing if they don't generate visitors. They mean a lot if they are competitive enough to generate visitors.

 

i have to agree wtih mjewel on this that you should not get any more than 10 visits a day for your keyword ranked #1. ranked at the botton of first page should not give you any more than 1-2 clicks per day. reason i say that is because i myself use adwords external tool to calculate monthly searches (which is btw searches including google partner site meaning actual google search is lower) and what i see as monthly serches and what i see in my analytics show a close match for several of the keywords i track

however, if you are getting more traffic from google for your search term somehow, all the best. we all can use more traffic

if you are using free version of wordtracker tool, then that result is waaaay off. you wil lget better result using adwords external tool

 

Keep sending links to your site buy writing articles, blogging, and sigs. The more links, the more spidering will be done to get your site indexed. Good luck!

 

Sultan I agree with you about the free version of wordtracker. What a waste of time.

 

First off. Congrats on your achievements so far.
Regardless of the amount of traffic you get, getting on the first page of Google for your targeted keyword means that you are doing something right and learning in the process.

Also, keep in mind that there are a lot of knowledgeable people here at DP that are willing to share the information they have learned and observed with you. Its up to you whether you decide to listen to that information or not.

I sort of agree that these are a rough estimate, and the lower the number of real searches done per month, the rougher the estimate.
I have a keyword that (according to Analytics) brings one of my sites between 6,000 and 7,000 visits per month. The Google adwords tool says that the keyword is searched for 720 times per month. But another keyword brings the site around 3,000 visits per month and the Google adwords tool shows that it gets around 5,400 searches per month. (my site is #1 and has site links for both keywords).
When you use the adwords tool on keywords like "computers" and it says it gets 16,000,000 odd searchers per month, then it does not really matter if the results are out by a few thousand

+ rep, great post.

Cheers
James

 

Agree - great job so far.

What are you doing with those 40 UVs that come to your site?

 

It doesnt matter on how many result showing, the search amount of the keyword is more important.
Frankly speaking, I was do some experience before on the testing blog, it was in the first position in google SERP which has about 8,790,000 results within one month. Yahoo sarch also rank in the first which has about 163,000,000 results

However, this is not popular keyword and bring very less visitor to my blog.

 

First of all I want to thank you for taking time in posting such a long post, I appreciate that.
The point when I thought you went wrong is determining competition.
Whenever you search my term with quotes, you can see results with 'webmaster forum' (without 's') also. So this shows us I am competing with sites targeting 'webmaster forum' also. So doing research only with term 'webmasters forum' is not a good idea.
The point where you were right is keyword in domain. Its true that having keyword in domain is very beneficial thing but as I stated before my site is live from last 9-11 months and was not in top 100 also for that term. I started doing SEO (onpage and some offpage) from last 3 months and now my site is ranking like this.
And the fact I am ranking number 1 on 'The webmasters forum' is because I was targeting that phrase and I have many backlinks from that anchor.
And let me clear one more thing, I was targeting this phrase only for learning SEO and not for traffic. I was having this domain so I targeted that phrase.

 

What you are seeing are websites that have in-bound links with the anchor text Webmasters Forum (with the S), you can see an example here: http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache...sk.org/+"webmasters+forum"&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=5, you'll see at he top where it says... "These terms only appear in links pointing to this page: webmasters forum" (this also proves the importance of anchor text)

I would bet that you would have eventually gotten #1 for that exact phrase even if you had NO in-bound links with with the phrase in the anchor text, primarily based on the fact that your Domain is that exact phrase and also the fact that it is a NONE competitive key phrase

 

I am really confused what you are trying to say.
I said when we search my term with quotes it shows results without having 's' also so it means I am competing with them also.
So whats the point telling those results are shown because they got links of anchor text 'webmasters forum'. I know they got them but whats the point? I am still competing with them.
Also I already stated I was not in top 100 before doing SEO besides having keyword rich domain. Do you think I am not telling the truth?
How can people bet that having keyword in domain can rank you on first page for competition of 3 million results?

 

"webmasters forum" returns 324,000
"webmaster forum" returns 4,280,000 results

I have seen myself searching for "webmasters forum" is showing results for "webmaster forum" as well.

So in fact number of search results for "webmasters forum" should be more than searches for "webmaster forum" but it is opposite. Simple logic seems to fail here by the search results.

There are more sites(pages) that have "webmaster forum" as their keyword than "webmasters forum" . Same is the case with other keyword say loan and loans. 'Loan' returns more search results than 'loans'.

Anybody got any ideas why is this happening?.

 

I just want to congratulate you with your success, by the way I'm also registered In WTB, it doesn't mean that were here in DP we don't need other community to go through, we need to keep on socializing with other friendly websites...

 

I have one also. My site rank in the keyword seo red company it results 21 million. My site is in the rank no. 1.m My site lloydiherrera.blogspot.com

 

I am sorry for the confusion, let's see If I can be more clear

The results you seeing are webpages that have incoming links with anchor text that include the 'S... in other words, you can go through those pages and you WILL NOT find your keyphrase anywhere with the 'S', this means that there is NO ON-PAGE optimization that includes your key keyphrase with the 'S' (Can you show me an example of a page that has your keyphrase with the 'S')?

The only optimization is OFF-PAGE, which are from incoming links that have your exact keyphrase in the anchor text

I have experimented with this, I have a website that I have done NO optimization except for having the keyphrase as the domain name, (it doesn't even have any content or inbound links) and it is on the first page of google for that keyphrase

Again, let me set the record straight... my experiment was with a none competitive long tail keyphrase, (similar to yours)

I'm merely trying to show you how a keyword rich Domain can have a positive impact on your search ranking especially when it is a none competitive long tail keyphrase such as yours.

I hope you can understand this

Cheers,
Pat

 

I know keyword enriched domain are essential but I have said 100's of times that it was not in top 100 also before I started.
And when I search with quotes it is showing all results which has on-page as well as off-page but that means they are competing with me correct? So if one site got 1000 quality backlinks with anchor text as 'webmasters forum' and even of he haven't done any on-page his site can outrank my site having 20 links with that anchor even I have done on-page.
We can say Google gives 60% importance to off-page and 40% importance to on-page optimization. Am I correct?

 

You can say whatever you want, but that is not correct. Google has different algorithms for competitive keywords and non-competitive keywords. For instance, google pays little attention to on-page optimization for competitive keywords, but a lot of weight is given to on-page for non-competitive keywords. You are basing conclusions based on one set of events, not years of experience or experimentation - and for a keyword that is not competitive at all. Just because you didn't rank at first, then did a few things, you assume that is what is responsible for your ranking. Website age is an important factor in the google algorithm. Doing nothing additional, a site can rank better just given time. Google tweaks its algorithm constantly (on average, more than once a day). Sites move up and down without any of them making on or off page changes - in fact, your site isn't even showing in the top ten anymore.