Does Google care for advertisers?? This question is haunting me ever since I saw this thread- http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=101014 I use both adwords and adsense, as an advertiser I really hate all the TOS breakers/Frauds and I have no sympathy for them. Until today I always thought for all the people, who came here saying that they lost their account for invalid clicks although they sworn their soul that they didnt do any thing - "ohh yeah!! You got banned, you must be innocent. " But as far as I know Christian, I can guarantee that he is not the kind who would go on click rage just for few dollars. Account disable notification mail from Google contains - Its good to see that they are so much concerned about the interest of advertisers, after all that’s the source of money for both Google and publishers. But shouldn’t they be worried about publisher's interests too?? After all they are the people who put the value to the money spent by Advertisers. Publishers provide what Advertisers are spending their money on. A publisher works day and night, puts effort to the site to make it worthwhile, he does the hard work to make some $$. Then a fanatic loser goes to his site clicks his ads randomly, fanatically and WHAM!!!!! Google sends a nice mail, informing him that he's got banned. Of course, I know that innocent people get reinstated after a manual review. But wouldn’t it be better that, that effort should be put forth before banning anyone? Wouldn’t it be better that instead of banning right away, Google just holds the payment, informs the publisher about invalid clicks, asks for an explanation, reviews the whole situation, and then if found guilty ban the publisher?? It would certainly save innocent publishers from mental trauma... just my thoughts, as I am too a publisher, and if that happened to Chris, it could happen to me too.
Some pepole earn money on google adsense ilegal way. Google ban them for protecting intrest of advertiser..
Right on the mark, The Webmaster. Yes, Google should protect it's publishers from click attacks and such. We have other things to do than babysitting our website/adsense stats to see if something unusual is happening. Google should be proactive rather than retroactive to protect it's publishers from click fraud or whatever term they use to explain it. Isn't it Google's job to see if something is going wrong with the stats and inform publishers to block Ip addresses or take other safety measures? Even if an account gets reinstated, don't you think we lose prospective revenue in between? whose fault is that? Google's? Ours? or that weird certain someone sitting there and clicking on our ads with evil motives?
Even if you moniter closely, its very hard to tell with 100 channels and 2000 clicks if there were 25-30 "Invalid" clicks. I think there should be a more promising sceanario for publishers too, as they claim to have for Advertisers(Although, I dont get my Money back very often, even if I notice that there must be some invalid clicks for my Adwords campaign)
As you might remember webby, Ive been there myself. Google only cares about itself. Period. Almost to a deceptive level IMO. Smartpricing? Who gets the top paying ad rates? Google Search is my guess. Then they get all the money from those ads - No publisher to split with. Google can do all that they have with algos and whatnot - but they cant tell when a site owner ISNT clicking his own ads. What BS is that.
This is really a tough call as a advertiser and a currently banned Publisher. I have to say the one time as an advertiser I had illegal clicks on my adwords account and complained to Google I never saw a cent back from that. Not even a return E-mail saying: hey sorry we screwed you out of 20 bucks but it is only 20 bucks we have billions so we didn't notice of course that 20 was prolly your entire budget for the week. Good thing you didn't have you daily budget set at 40. But as an Adsense publisher I was constantly looking out for my butt, as well as Googles. I installed revenuemonitor to track Ip's of the clickers and kept careful track. At the time of banning the most clicks by a single IP was 9 of course I only tracked a period of 7 days. So I can not tell if that IP was systematically click bombing--over a long period of time. But I still ended up banned???? Who knows why? And today is day 14 of the appeal. And they are not even responding to my many many e-mails. So as a publisher you just don't have the tools. Google has technology that stifles most of our minds yet they can not use that to better the Adsense system? Why don't they take some blame rather than blaming all the publishers? I must say My view of Google has changed in the last two weeks and my view on all those "so called innocent" webmasters may have changed too just don't know who to believe anymore when all my trust went to Google the entire time.
To a certain extent, no. They want to show they are ever vigilant against click fraud. I remember when I got banned - (and reinstated a day later) There was alot of press about click fraud and google right around that time. So I am sure they were trying to demonstrate they are always looking for click fraud and doing all they can. In the meantime, they losee little because they are only hitting little guys for reletively small amounts of money and they keep the good paying ads for themselves anyway. Truth is - they like click fraud, as long as nobody notices its click fraud.
I agree for the most part with the nature of this, but I'm not sure if I'm so convinced that Google just has their fingers hovering over the red "Ban-This-Publisher" button on the sole basis of revenue from a few fraud clicks alone. Google's Adsense FAQ states, in regards to earnings from ads and clicks: Ergo, for each click that's paid to us, Google gets a portion of it. So given this logic, it doesn't make sense for Google to ban a publisher until their fraudulent clicks exceed an advertisers legitimate budget and thus drive the advertiser away. What's going to make more money for them, banning a publisher and keeping the revenue from invalid clicks, or letting the publisher stay on, discounting any fraud clicks, but having a continued revenue stream from advertisers who can keep pushing out ads to be (validly) clicked on the publisher's site? I don't know, maybe my logic is wrong, but if I was pretending to be google and act greedily, I'd want as many publishers as possible to have adsense on their site, attracting as many (valid) clicks as possible because each time a valid click happens, the publisher stays happy, and I get part of the revenue. I'm not really on any side, but I guess I just see it as a symbiotic relationship: With less AdWords advertisers, there's less ads and thus money for publishers, less competition, lower paying ads on the whole = Google makes less. With less Adsense publishers, there's less avenues for Google to display ads and thus earn partial money from clicks = Google makes less. Just my 2 cents, please correct me if my logic is off
It is really scary that someone can invest so much time, effort and learning into building up a solid revenue stream from adsense. It is a LOT of work and time someone can invest over months and even many years... and then after all that work, they can get banned very quickly because some idiot steals their adsense account id and clicks on the ads that show up somewhere else on a different site with their adsense id ? I thought that their algorithms were supposed to be good enough to filter out the frauds who try to steal code and bomb sites? Instead, publishers are just supposed to hope they never get banned? This is extremely risky. I cannot believe that google is not able to detect when someone steals a sites google account code and abuses it.