Is my SEO company useless?

Discussion in 'Link Development' started by petes1980, Jan 28, 2009.

  1. petes1980

    petes1980 Peon

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    #41
    WOW, there really is a huge difference between google and yahoo. We only have 6 showing up in google and 3207 in yahoo!

    Is this Google just not showing all the results, or is it the fact that google just doesn't count most of them as it deems them irrelevant?
     
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  2. Dixie

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    #42
    Useless is a bad term, do you derive pleasure from it? profit?

    If you are generating any clicks at all it's not useless by definition. ;)
     
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  3. petes1980

    petes1980 Peon

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    #43
    Actually thats not true. A lot of our serps and traffic were present before we went to the current company we are with. If our traffic and serps go backwards then that would render them by definition useless as they are supposed to help increase not decrease traffic. However we would still get some clicks.

    But Dixie, you do have a point. The title of this thread i created is a bit misleading. It should have been "Are the link building strategies of my SEO company useless?". I'm pretty certain the answer to this now is NO. Our results in the serps have improved since we went with them and our traffic has also increased. However they also implemented a better PPC campaign and Affiliate campaign which also adds to that.

    Please don't get me wrong, i am actually pleased with the company we are with, their results have been effective so far. I just didn't know enough about PR to know if dropping PR from 4 to 3 would cause a future slide in serps.

    I obviously track past results as an indication of progression, but keeping an eye on what may come in the future is in my view very important too. I just wanted to be sure that this would not bring unfavourable results my way in the coming months.
     
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  4. petes1980

    petes1980 Peon

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    #44
    Actually thats not true. A lot of our serps and traffic were present before we went to the current company we are with. If our traffic and serps go backwards then that would render them by definition useless as they are supposed to help increase not decrease traffic. However we would still get some clicks.

    But Dixie, you do have a point. The title of this thread i created is a bit misleading. It should have been "Are the link building strategies of my SEO company useless?". I'm pretty certain the answer to this now is NO. Our results in the serps have improved since we went with them and our traffic has also increased. However they also implemented a better PPC campaign and Affiliate campaign which also adds to that.

    Please don't get me wrong, i am actually pleased with the company we are with, their results have been effective so far. I just didn't know enough about PR to know if dropping PR from 4 to 3 would cause a future slide in serps.

    I obviously track past results as an indication of progression, but keeping an eye on what may come in the future is in my view very important too. I just wanted to be sure that this would not bring unfavourable results my way in the coming months.
     
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  5. petes1980

    petes1980 Peon

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    #45
    sorry, it timed out and i hit refresh and caused it to post twice! my bad!
     
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  6. mauik

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    #46
    Petes, if it will put you at ease, choose a random search term unrelated to your industry and start checking out the Page Rank of all the sites getting returned. You'll quickly find that Page Rank really does not affect where you rank at all.

    I certainly understand your concern, and it's good to question your SEO company, as there are many fly-by-night operations out there, but as long as you are getting traffic, your Page Rank is kind of like the queen, lots of show but little relevancy to the substance of your site.
     
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  7. internetmarketingiq

    internetmarketingiq Well-Known Member

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    #47
    Depends on your niche and what you are spending for services. SEO is not only about ranking, it's about delivering traffic. Targeted Traffic. You don't have to have high rankings to make money, but you do have to have good targeted traffic.

    If you are spending a large sum on SEO and not getting results you may want to look at alternative methods of gaining targeted customers like link purchases, paid directory listings, and joining forces with complementary websites via advertising agreements.
     
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  8. psdealer

    psdealer Active Member

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    #48
    Looking at your site's SEO situation(www.autobulbsdirect.co.uk),I think you may be pleased with the ranking,cuz there are a fews keywords rank in top 5.But when I check carefully,in my opinion you miss some important things.
    Suppose you are able to earn 1000 pounds,but at present you earn only 10% of the amount,100 pounds,you miss 90%.The reason is keyword.
    The keywords which have good ranking have too less traffic.
    keywords -- google(uk) monthly searchs -- google(usa) monthly searchs
    Citroen Bulbs -- 1000 -- N/A
    xenon Bulbs -- N/A -- N/A
    Car Lights -- 165,000 -- 60,500
    wiper blades -- N/A -- N/A
    look,"Citroen Bulbs", "xenon Bulbs", "wiper blades" you have good ranking,but too less searchs,obviously you miss the good keyword "car lights",the site is not in top 100 for this keyword.

    This is a screenshot of ranking for your site:
    [​IMG]

    It's too easy get good ranking for those low traffic keywords,yes your seo company finish the job,but I doubt if they can do the same for "car lights".
    I'm very impressed with your site,you should do better business.These low traffic keywords are very targeted ones,but indeed far not good enough.

    And,your current link building is directories submissin only.In fact I nearly give up this method.It was good on 2006,not now.
     
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  9. DanielSpider

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    #49
    Now I'm not gonna say that SEO companies as a whole are scammers (cause all are definitely not) but there are absolutely companies out there that will charge you an arm and a leg just to spam forums, directories and send out a few articles.

    Slow, trusted, high quality and personal is how you build good SEO.
     
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  10. psdealer

    psdealer Active Member

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    #50
    Which seo companies won't do some spam?
    The problem is that not many companies can do spam becomingly and get very many links.
     
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    #51
    Why do people have such high expectations? Your SEO guy is going to see this and cringe...
     
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    #52
    The definition of SEO SPAM?

    Site Positioning Above Mine
    IS it right?
     
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    #53
    there is a probability that your site just got penalyzed by the big G.
     
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  14. petes1980

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    #54
    Why would they cringe? if they read the full thread they will see i'm actually very happy with the results so far!
    Is it not right that I keep an eye on things and check that we are progressing in the right direction? Is it not better that i check my facts with an informed community such as DP before going gung-ho at my SEO company?
    Posting this thread has done 2 things for me, put my mind at rest about the drop in PR, and educated me that PR is actually not that important in the big picture.

    As a result of this i now don't need to confront my SEO company about it and i can stay happy with the work they are doing for me.

    From now on i will monitor our serps and only worry if they start slipping.

    Please remember that not everyone in this world knows all the ins and outs of SEO which is why forums like DP are very useful as they help to educate us to make more informed analysis of current standings.
     
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    #55
    Pete this is something that happens quite often. Ask your seo consultants to check on the links they made and make sure that one of the sites arent blacklisted by google. I have seen this before with my blogs. A single site that went black hat (that i was linked to) made my pr drop. hope this helps
     
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    #56
    Hi Pete,

    Its interesting reading this thread as i do SEO for quite a few car related websites in the UK. Its good that you have an active interest and realise that you have to be part of the process too. At the same time, people have to realise that you are running a business and you can't afford to know all the ins and outs!

    Ultimately all you have to worry about is traffic and how you convert that traffic to sales. Those are the only too important figures, don't get distracted by stuff like PR ranking.

    My only concern is that Google doesn't recognise many links for you, your SEO company needs to get some really weighted links and then you'll be up there for the likes of 'diesel tuning.'
     
    robfenn, Feb 5, 2009 IP