Problem with my homepage

Discussion in 'Search Engine Optimization' started by carlg, Feb 2, 2009.

  1. #1
    I've posted this question here before and in other seo forums. I still haven't found an answer. I'm posting again hoping one of the experts will see it this time. I'm having a major problem with one of my sites. I have never seen anyone else with this same problem ans still don't have a solution.

    Here is the problem:
    The home page of my site is indexed (I know this from google webmaster tools). If you take a unique phrase with quotes from the home page and do a search, you get no results when my home page should show up. So although my home page is in the index, it is not being returned in the serps. The search for the unique phrase will yield 0 results

    Here are some other facts:
    No other page on the site experiences this problem
    Other sites on the same server do not have problems
    The site's pr just got raised from 3 to 4
    I am not exactly sure when this started, but I have a feeling it was always this way (At first I thought I was sand boxed, but now I think that is not the case)
    I do not sell links and never have sold links.
    The domain is over 1 year old.

    The page is www<dot> njshore-rentals<dot> com


    After months of trying to find this problem, I still have 0 luck! Some people have suggested that this could be caused by my link profile. The site has many (200 or less) forum signature links from irrelevant sites such as this one, seo forums, etc. I have got rid of my signature from all irrelevant forums such as DP. I really don't think the link profile is causing the problem (just my opinion). If this was the case then people would be doing this to their competitors all day. Also, I have other sites with very similar link profiles that do not have this problem.

    Well anyway, hopefully I can get some good advice from someone here.

    Thanks again!

    Carl
     
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    #2
    Without knowing the search term it is hard to say what the problem is.

    Lack of content on home page, Lack of keyword frequency. Meta tags all start the exact same way, which indicates SEO was done.

    I did notice the spammy little blurb at the very bottom of your page... but most search engines do not read that far down and whatever content they find at the bottom of a page is of little value....in the SE eyes important information belongs at the top of the page. (think newspapers where the bottom of the page is left for the index of other pages, and filler)

    Another thing I see is you effectively diluted the home page PR by having too many links to other pages of your site.( and to which PR is not passed effectively)

    No sitemap page for visitors ( where all those links from the homepage belong)

    Selling a link won't hurt you typically...getting caught buying links will.

    I could go on but then I would have to send you a bill......:)
     
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    #3
    There is no particular keyword. It is any phrase from the page.
     
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    Ohh I see well you probably just are not searching through enough pages to find your site.

    Another issue is it seems things were done without any keyword research or without true SEO implementation

    For example the URL targets a low volume keyword then at the top of the pages is a higher volume keyword phrase and then at the bottom another different higher volume keyword.

    Often a page can rank well for only one keyphrase. This is due to weighting & density factors in the meta data, and to some extent the body content along with competitors of course.
     
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    carlg Peon

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    #5
    That is not the case.

    Copy/paste any unique phrase from the page. Just pick a sentence from down below. Put quotes around it and google it.

    The home page is indexed. There is no doubt about it being indexed.

    When you click the search button on google, you should get 1 result which would be my homepage.

    But, you get 0 results and it gives you some results without the quotes.

    Make me wonder if there is an error at google. Again this is an indexed page that should be found in search results.

    This page generates absolutely 0 organic traffic from google while my deeper pages get a nice amount of organic traffic from google.
     
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    #6
    Again without a phrase you are using I could sit for hours and still have no clue.....unfortunately there's a limit to the time i can devote to free work for anyone. :)

    I can tell you this

    Indexation of a page, does not in any way, shape, or form, mean that it will be found in the SERPs..

    Indexing is simply storage of a document in the database.....

    Scoring for SERPs is a completely different beast..

    If your home page is not generating traffic or appearing in the SERPs it is likely being filtered by Google for some spammy issue.....

    Peace!
     
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    #7
    I think this is your problem... try removing it... robot could not read pages inside these codes which is usually generated by frontpage or any microsoft office applications...

    <!--[if IE ]>
    <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="area_ie.css" />
    <![endif]-->


    Try to check your codes..
     
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    If that were correct then the page would not be in the index....It is a simple styling command for browser compatability many sites use and has no effect on spidering of the page.
     
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    #9
    The endif code is not spider friendly...
     
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    Most php pages use endif so that puts a hole in your theory and again if the page is indexed then the spider had no issue.
     
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    #11
    To the OP

    You're page is likely being filtered due to canonical URL issue causing a dupe content filter.

    Your site resolves to both, the absolute URL

    And the relative URL

    So I think you found the SEO who discovered the true problem ;)

    You need to do a mod rewrite and wait a while.

    On a side note - I know someone will say to use the prefered URL choice in Google Webmaster Tools... however this is used only for display purposes within the SERP... and does not solve the canonical URL issue.

    Peace!
     
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    #12
    try checking your sites for duplicate contents. use copyscape to look for it easily. usually Google filter results if it thinks that the page is just the same with another page and not necessarily to be listed. well with regards to canonical issues, did you submit your site to Google webmasters? I think it has an option where you can set on which to be used on your site, non-www or www. You can also rewrite your .htaccess (if your using a linux hosting) to automatically redirect non-www to www.
     
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    #13
    Thanks for the research.

    I have other sites that resolve to both the www.whatever.com and whatever.com.

    They don't have this same problem. (unless there is something I am not understanding)

    Carl
     
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    #14
    The "Preferred domain" selection in webmaster tools.

    What do you guys usually set this to?
     
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    #15
    The preferred domain usage is for display of your site domain in the Google SERP

    It does not resolve the issue of canonical URL... The reason you cannot find your page is that Google is trying to send you a gentle message about the issue.

    Of course I wrote that the tool in GWT is just for display purposes in the thread above......

    No clue about those.....I just know what is the way things should be done for best SEO results.

    Peace and good luck!
     
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    #16
    I don't think it's a canonical redirect issue because if it was your page wouldn't be in the index at all. This is an odd situation but I would try moving the DIVs that contain your content above the DIVs that contain the links/navigation. Make it as easy as possible for the content to be found before the spider has a chance to leave the page.
     
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    #17
    Do you know what it is you are speaking of??

    Canonical URLs pages are almost always indexed....

    Styling has no effect on indexation......
     
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    Text placement within the code is not a styling issue. Spiders read the page top down and could be missing content that is buried at the bottom of the code.
     
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    Problem with that is the content has nothing to do with indexing of the page.

    ;)

    As for teaching me seo........you could spend your time in more productive pursuits.... I've worked with computer algorithms for over 25 years now..:)
     
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    So the page is being indexed and yet he can't find it when searching for the content of his page. Yet you think content has "nothing to do with it". Good detective work. I'm not saying my idea will work, but I know for sure it's not because of a canonical redirect.

    I'm not trying to teach you anything. You're convinced it's a canonical redirect issue. I'll let you stay clueless while I try to help the original poster.
     
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