All this would be fine IF religious preference had the same relevance as food or fashion. Unfortunately it doesn't. Food or fashion preferences do not get usually turned into political issues, but religion usually does.
How does that imply that opting the same religion as parents is not an independent choice. Is it necessary to opt for a completely different religion to show that one has a choice? I'm sorry, I'm a beer drinking, deer hunting Ozzie, not as wise as Canadian fellas. So you have to bear with me..
Those people have a choice, In the same way the religious do. The impact their "choice" plays is insignificant when compared to the impact society and parental instructions play. Have you gone from saying the religious don't pick their religion based on what their parents believed to saying they do, But so what because fashion and tastes are a result of it too? Like i said, most retain their parents religions views. Not all. Most. Again, You made the point that their parents religion "doesn't matter" when it comes to defining what religion people hold as adults. You seem to have gone from arguing that a persons parents religion don't influence them to arguing that it very much does influence them, but that it doesn't matter because lots of things influence us.
You seem to have a difficulty to understand the difference between influence on thinking and choice. Whats your point of this argument? People who do not change their religion do not have a choice or what? I'll say it one final time, parents' religion may influence one's thinking. But when it comes to make a choice, it doesn't matter because they choose to stick with their religion as they find it right for them. If they do not, then they switch to other faiths, a different religion or atheism.
Maybe you should talk about fairies, he seems to like that topic! Have you ever been so drunk you tried talking to a pole? Kind of the same thing here. LOL
Has your inability to form a cogent argument reduced you to the role of cheerleader already allout? That is allout, isn't it? I can barely see you peeking out from behind Ironhide's coat-tails. Really? That isn't what you have always said though, Is it. remember when you said; "I would still say choice. Parents religion, or anyone's opinion doesn't matter." (emph added) My point has always been that whatever "choices" people think they are making and whatever rationale they use to justify their religious beliefs it is generally a result of indoctrination. And the evidence i use for this is the enormous percentage of religious people who believe the exact same thing as their parents did, which wouldn't be the case had their parents beliefs "not mattered" when it came to them "choosing" their religion.
So according to you, to establish that parents' religion or faith doesn't matter, everyone must opt for a completely different faith? Is that what you are trying to say??
LMAO, I am not cheering him on, I am telling him how pointless it is to argue with someone who uses no logic yet argues everything he can find to argue about. Has your painful religious experience hurt you so bad that you spend your every moment in life tearing down others beliefs? Please share that experience so we can help you heal and move on to a much more enlightened life. I see the deep hurt and I am willing to offer you some counseling for free. Carrying a burden such as yours is not healthy for you or your family. I am am there for you!
It very much does matter just as everything that we teach our kids and the stuff they experience matters. I'm one of the ones that switched after growing up religious. I came around slowly. And once I got out of the fog of believing I'd go to hell for questioning what I was taught, I became somewhat resentful. I realized I had been basically brainwashed from the time of my birth to believe in ancient stories with no real proof and that I should simply have faith and believe or I would burn in hell forever. I don't know what makes people like me come around and start questioning these years of indoctrination, but I am obviously an exception and not the rule. Almost everyone else I know(and that's almost everyone I know) who was indoctrinated with christianity as a child still buy it. Some buy it more than others but they all pretty much still buy it. Had they been born in Syria or Iran they'd be buying Islam. If they were born to a Jewish family, Judaism, if they were born in Haiti maybe they'd believe in voodoo.
Read what i actually say instead of manufacturing some contrived, strawman interpretation. I wrote in plain English using simple words, It doesn't warrant an interpretation. People can do what they like when it comes to joining a cult, But that doesn't subtract from the fact that what they do tend to do is simply continue, Unquestioningly, with what their parents told them as children. Regardless if they are hindu, christian or muslim the religious tend to adhere to, as adults, what they were instructed to adhere to as children if they recieved that type of instruction. which suggests that the religions that these people find themselves in are not a result of compelling texts or rational thought, it's a result of indoctrination as children.
Did it matter for you to make your choice?? And I say, they do it because they find it right for them, not just because their parents told them. And when they do not find it right, they switch their religion/faith.
Are you going to claim that "generally" means all the time and "most" means all? and i guess it's just a coincidence that people in Iran generally find islam "right for them", people in america generally find christianity "right for them" and people in india generally find hindiuism "right for them".
Failure, misery and suffering open people's eyes. You see that there is no god nor priest beside you suffering with you. Just yourself. Hence you learn to believe and trust in yourself before imaginary entities. When man learns that the [primary] responsibility for his life is in his own hands and his hands alone, false idols and illusory figurines crumble. Theoretically one could say that the gentle wind that comforted you when you were crying was god, but .....
What difference does logic's reasons make then? Unless of course you were trying to hand pick one specific case and try to pretend it was indicitive of the whole.
Why don't you leave that for Logicflux to answer? Or are you a mouthpiece for each and everyone on DP? Yes. You guessed it right... Last I checked, thousands of people in India, USA, Australia and many other countries, where they have freedom to do so, change their religion or become atheist everyday.