United Through Fear

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by guru-seo, Jun 23, 2006.

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Do you fear your government?

  1. Yes I do fear my goverment

    38.5%
  2. I do not care about what my government does

    7.7%
  3. I completely trust my government

    38.5%
  4. Never thought about it

    15.4%
  1. anthonycea

    anthonycea Banned

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    #21
    Really :confused:

    You have it backward, rebellion against the rich was the reason America was created, get your story right man! :eek:

    Many other governments were founded this way also, at the tip of a gun against the rich and the land taken by the people, that is how the USA was formed!
     
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    #22
    I suppose you didn't read Thomas Paine, in which he throughly kicks the British government in the balls with all that they are doing wrong. Basically he lists all those things that will eventually be protected by the bill of rights. It wasn't the fact that the king was rich, it was the (excessive outside) power that offended the colonies.

    I could go into the detail history of this because I have a library of book on it.

    The war was mostly fought by the common man, but philosophically the foundation of America ie the Constitution, was made in a 'secret' convention, composed of rich aristocrats. Most of whom where unelected officials, whom actually circumvented the law of the land (ie Articles of Confederation) to develop upon the Constitution.

    Something to read on the Aristrocrat Convention.

    Note: The above link has some rather subjective views but has some rather relevent facts....especially concerning the aristocrats whom made the Constitution.

    People such as Jefferson actually say that the people behind the group rallying the consitution (ie federalist) have forgot what the Revolution was truely about; and to some level he felt that he was given more power than even the king possessed by supporting the Constitution. Ultimately he supported it but within stricter interpetations, opposed to Hamiltons more broader views of the powers.

    It's extremely doubtful you've read as much about the founding as I have; but if you would like to discuss the relationships of the founders e.g Jefferson and Adams life long friendship and intellectual disputes, I'm up to see how knowledgeable you really are.

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    The french revolution applies to your quote, and look at their follies...what a worthless revolution.

    Then there's the communist whom also apply, and that scum shows you how stupid the mob masses are.

    Both clear-cut examples of what America's founders where deepley opposed to ie mobocracy. Many of them felt that too much power in anyone hands was bad, and therefore they put high standards in place to prevent such whimsical changes.

    On a personal note, I believe the Constitution is yet to be more refined, in a sense that I'm more like Jefferson's beliefs in stricter intepertations. I fear the rich, the people, and outsiders equally....and any way to reasonable govern but protect individual rights is held as good to me.
     
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  4. anthonycea

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    #24
    Great stuff Rick, I don't have time to research everything right now but gave you some green for a fantastic post, will come back later and read your links! :eek:
     
    anthonycea, Jun 27, 2006 IP