Muslim cleric says; if your wife doesn't have sex when you demand it, Beat her

The whole thread was created to show that the clerics blames the Zionists:

It was not intended to defend women, but to prove that a Muslim cleric sees nothing bad in beating women.

So don't blame Imad for bringing that up.

 

You're doing this on purpose, aren't you? Pretending you're a Muslim and defending pedophiles and wife beaters, just to make people believe such stuff about Islam and Muhammed?

If I'm wrong and you're serious, I hope you will someday marry a husband beater.

 

He is a Muslim. On a different note, just to see if I can fit the missing puzzle piece about you - Are you a Muslim \ Vegetarian + Someone who opposes stem cell research + believes animals deserve equal rights as humans?

 

You never really know what people's intentions are on here. So what you say is plausible. However if it's the case it is a waste of a time since there is no reason to stoop to sneaky tactics to make accepted Islamic values seem bad.

Mohammed himself was a pedophile. This is not an attack on the religion, it's not an insult, it's mere statement of fact given the definition of pedophilia.

Mohammed married a girl at age six and consummated the marriage(had sex with her) at age nine.
And fundamentalist followers of Islam are often cruel to their women, it's not a secret.

So, since cruelty to women and pedophilia both seem to be largely accepted in the islamic world, it seems much more plausible that polite teen is not some sneaky anti-islamic plant of some sort but rather a devoted follower as he claims to be.

 

You wouldn't believe me if I told you.

 

This is not islam... You can check it up at any RELIABLE website.

 

Go ahead, there's no reason to hide anything.

 

One of the favourate of God upon huminity is the Self-decomposition of bacteria, fungi, viruses and your post.

I will help you to develop your posts so that they will stand forever, Just be Just and follow the truth.

Don't twist the truth and don't say the words you have no definintion for.

Every one sees people according to his own behaviour, this is common nature of human being.

If you are pedophile, you will look at the person who kissed the child as if he was a pedophile

If you are dishonest, you will think all people are like you

If you are truthful, you will think of the person who talk to you as truthful.

If you are so low that you understand marriage as sex and your comunity are like you, then you would post what you have posted here.

I wonder! how you judged the star (Mohammad) while you are underground?

Some muslims in some prisons are exposed during their life under punishment to women that work as sexual motivation, but when they find the muslim doesn't react with them at all, they throw the holy Quran and stand over it as the defeated people do all the time.

The Quran is the Massage of the prophet Mohammad prayer and peace be upon him and his family.

So again I wonder! how you judged prophet Mohammad PAPBUH while you are underground?

Don't judge the star through what you see underground.

Blame Zionist who like to oppose the prophets PAPBUT.

 

But I hope you will marry a good person

 

Somebody should tell that Islamic cleric and all his followers, don't you think?

 

It was you who took the time searching for the information so i'll let you tell him.

I don't want anything to do with such stupid people

 

When a christian says something which is not part of the bible, does anyone go and tell the individual or group that he/she is wrong.

There are such people in every religion.

 

If Muslims don't stand against people who claim evil deeds are part of Islam, then they are part of the problem.

 

Yes, they do. Show me a Christian group that calls for wife beating based on the Bible and I guarantee you there will be condemnations of it from other Christian leaders.

 

I'm already married to the best person. She doesn't beat me, thankfully.

Thanks anyway.

 

I hope you will excuse me for going off topic, and for the lengthy post, but I find it important to reply this, since it's often mentioned here by hateful persons, and often used in a try to support their other propaganda:

according to the American heritage dictionary:
pedophile: An adult who is sexually attracted to a child or children.
child: A person between birth and puberty.
I think you know what birth means?
puberty: The stage of adolescence in which an individual becomes physiologically capable of sexual reproduction.

some might discuss her age, but there was no official marriage until she reached the age of 9, there is no defined age when a person can reach puberty as it differs from one person to another specially for girls, and from one region to another, in general, puberty ranges from 7-13 for women, and this been proven scientifically, for Aisha it was proven that she already went through her puberty when she was 9, so and in the light of the 3 definitions above, you should be able to notice that she was no longer a child, therefore, your use of the word pedophile is incorrect, but I understand that you look at it in the eyes of our current modern time, where anybody who is under the age of 18 is considered a child according to the comon use of the word, looking at it in that time, not our current times, you will find some interesting facts, but before going back to that time, let's have a look on the age of consent (The age of consent is the age at which a young person is legally able to understand and agree to consensual sex.), starting with current time, and back to that time:

current: differs from one country to another, the youngest age for males is 12 in Angola, and 13 for females in several countries, in USA it differs from one state to another but the youngest for males is 14 and 16 for females, with exception of Colorado where girls can marry at age of 12, and boys at age of 14,

this table shows the consent age in all countries.

age of consent was 7 years in California USA in 1859:

age of consent was 12 years in 1860

1791 age of consent for both genders was 11 years if France, 10-12 in USA

in 12 century: it was 8 years, and was the norm among Christian emperors, (Historically, the age at which a girl was considered ready to be married has been puberty. This was the case in Biblical times)

and so on, you can see the change during history, and how now we see marriage under 18 is something weird, while 8 years old was the norm in late 12 century ( that's in 1177), about 550 years after Mohammad pbuh marriage to Aisha, and if you study it more you will find that the age of puberty was the acceptable age of marriage, which is (7-13 years)

Islam added 2 years to the 7 years, and required parents approval, and also, required the girl approval for the marriage, but why they were marrying at so young ages then?

the average lifespan in our days is 60-70 years, while in 18th century it was 40-50 years, and much younger 1400 years ago, that does not mean there were nobody living above 40-50 in 18th century, but it means this was the average, and in order to maintain the population, young marriages, and having many children was the normal,

this is something, and another thing in the marriage of Aisha, that she was a narrator, who memorized Hadith, and the prophet pbuh asked Muslims to take half of their religion from her, when he said: "Take half your religion from this Humayra (pretty girl)", she lived 50 years after the prophet death, and Muslims were referring to her in many matters that concern their religion.

by common sense, if he was a pedophile, then he would have had married so many children, since he was a leader.


for more info about this: Allegations about Muhammads marriage to Aisha

 

I dont think we should call that guy a "Muslim Cleric" when i bet he hasnt ever read the meaning of Quran

 

Imad, you are wasting your time. You aren't going to get anyone to condone having sex with a 9 year old child, regardless how many contrived definitions you dig up.

Just answer me this imad. Would you marry and have sex with a 9 year old girl who was capable of reproduction? It's a simple question, so let's keep the evasion to a minimum.

 

of course not, I would not marry or have sex with 9 years old who is capable of reproduction, what you describe as having sex with 9 years old in our days, is what been considered marriage at that days, due to several reasons I mentioned some of them,

the question is, if you been living 1400 years ago, would you marry a 9 years old? you do not have to answer, as this been already answered from the info I gave, in fact, and feel free to verify, if people did not marry at such young ages then, there won't be any human being right now.

 

The question is for most people is that is if he was a true prophet he would've seen how this would mess up his image in future generations. He also had no witnessed any true miracles besides the Qu'ran which is arguable.

Also one question I have is about sura 50:38 I have read a little past here in the Qu'ran because I like to study religion and it sais "And verily We created the heavens and the earth, and all that is between them, in six Days, and naught of weariness touched Us. (38)" Who is we? I found a few mistakes in the Qu'ran and I have a muslim friend that can verify these for me.