The Obama Era Begins Jan 20, 2009

Discussion in 'Politics & Religion' started by elenojo, Jan 10, 2009.

  1. imad

    imad Peon

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    #21
    congratulations for US and American people for the end of Bush era, even though I am not optimistic and that it will take so long to fix what Bush and his gang have messed, but I hope the new president will work on what interest US and its people, not what interest the criminal Zionist lobby.
     
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  2. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #22
    I'm sure you and your buds have long been looking forward to this moment. You're just waiting around hoping the US will become complacent again and let down their guard so you and your buds can attack us again.
     
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  3. tarponkeith

    tarponkeith Well-Known Member

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    #23
    I'm looking forward to Obama's first term being over, then coming back to threads like this and saying "so, how 'bout that big terrorist attack that never happened?"

    I know that you'd like to see innocent civilians killed so you could say "See, Obama did this" - but how about we hope for the best, instead?
     
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  4. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #24

    You sorely under estimate the "I told you so" factor. I'm not one to use it.

    I think once Obama meets with the National Security Team, Joint Chiefs, CIA/FBI and other key dept heads even he will recognize the need to stay the course. To not, would indeed by disastrous. After all, we've all been there before.


    The only people that like to see innocent civilians killed are the terrorist that many here on DP continually embrace and defend.
     
    Mia, Jan 20, 2009 IP
  5. imad

    imad Peon

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    #25
    for me and I think for "my buds" it did not really matter, in fact, I was preferring that McCain would win, because another idiot like Bush would destroy US economy more and then would be hard to launch wars based on lies, and support terrorists and war mongers in the illegal state of Israel, with financial and military aid,

    but if there is a sane person, who can work for US and it's people, to enhance their conditions, and give them health care before giving weapons to a foreign illegal entity, and who would enhance educational system instead of growing hate against his country and his people by launching wars based on lies on behalf others, then for sure will be much better, I hope your president Hussein :D would be that person, but I m not optimistic as I mentioned, too early to know.
     
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  6. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #26
    The US economy is the product of the CRA, Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton and the continued waste, spending and government mis-management of the banking system.

    You are really one confused kid.

    We Americans pride ourselves on working for what we have. We don't need our government to give it to us and tell us how to use it.

    Government exists to provide for the common defense and public safety/infrastructure.

    The hate you speak of already exists because backward thinking people like you, not because of one man.
     
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  7. GeorgeB.

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    #27
    It's OK imad.

    The fact that Obama hasn't come in with sweeping liberal political appointments and rhetoric is really frustrating them. They need "someone" to dislike :)
     
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  8. NwS

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    #28
    Yeah the same who believed that Bush was a president in the first place? And not just a drunk monkey? :D


    What makes someone a terrorist? I am just curious to read your opinion here..
     
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    NwS Well-Known Member

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    Delete this please.. My mistake double post :/
     
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  10. korr

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    See, I could agree with you about this if you would add Reagan, the Bushes, and Greenspan.
     
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  11. northpointaiki

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    #31
    Agreed. Something I've never understood is the continued clinging some have to the notion of Reagan as a fiscal conservative. Tax cuts accompanied by expansionism in the public sector, ballooning deficits - a myth, but it's held to quite closely, that somehow it's Democrats who are the "big government" folks and the Republican presidents are the laissez-faire ideologues. Reagan trumped FDR in federal expansionism, but he spent it on guns. It's all outlay.
     
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  12. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #32
    You cannot be serious.

    What makes someone a terrorist? I am just curious to read your opinion here..[/quote]

    Someone whose goal is none other than to create fear, panic, death and destruction among the innocent in pursuit of an ideological belief.

    Greenspan, yes. What Reagan and Bush have to do with the CRA and the inability to face reality escapes all reason.
     
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  13. vip-ip

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    #33
    You guys.

    Any president is a tool. He's the pretty puppet whose strings are pulled by the ugly puppeteers behind the scenes that you don't even see. Just like all of America's failures from 2000 and on can't be blamed on Bush alone, so can't anybody say that Obama will ultimately fail - or succeed, for that matter. No president is a standalone dictator-type commander. If that's how you think it is, go live in China for a few years and see what's up. And for how he messed up the oath - even if he did say it right the first time and the judge didn't mess up, imagine what it's like to perform live in front of hundreds of millions of people. A crowd like that can get anyone's adrenaline pumping.

    This thread makes me wonder: all of those who scrutinize Obama for things he did not yet do that will affect issues that did not yet happen - how would you be a different president from him? What would make you better? And if not you - whatever candidate you voted for?

    P.S.: a close person whom I know very well has a relative that worked closely with McCain back in 98. They said he has the rudest, worst temper ever, and that working with him was close to impossible.
     
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  14. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    I'd run things like I run my business. What would I do differently? If something was not working, I'd stop doing it. I'd not spend more money I don't have to solve problems I know nothing about.

    The best thing our government can do is let us spend our own money and make our own decisions. Anything short of that equals death to prosperity, innovation and progress.
     
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  15. vip-ip

    vip-ip Active Member

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    Well, sometimes when we make our own decisions - such as when our bankers made loans they shouldn't have made, or when our car makers developed the wrong kinds of cars by people working in unions - all hell breaks lose, and America hurts. Ouch, indeed, but are these types of crises preventable? Indeed. But once it's started, it's not easy to recover. That's why, sometimes, when you pick a plan with which to follow through, and it doesn't work, it's only easy to say, "STOP DOING THAT." In practicality, to stop hurting yourself now can end up hurting you even more. For example, if you get cut and apply pressure to the wound to stop bleeding, that hurts; but to stop the pressure would let the blood resume flowing, thus hurting you more. If that's one issue - be it domestic or foreign, translated in government terms - now multiply that by a hundred, and deal with it all at once.

    The situation Obama inherited isn't pleasant, and it'll be hard. There goes the messy kid who got dirt all over the house; now Mom comes along to clean up. So the question is: is there another "mom" who's more well-equipped to clean up the crap?
     
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  16. NwS

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    Aha so exactly like the USA for example? Since you talked about fear, panic, death (yeah that part) and destruction. The religious wars started when the USA entered Asia and started to war against a religion (that was stupid imho).

    But yeah what do i know anyway.

    "Money makes the world go round the world go round the world go round"
     
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  17. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    I'm still trying to figure that out myself. :eek:
     
    Mia, Jan 21, 2009 IP
  18. tarponkeith

    tarponkeith Well-Known Member

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    I agree! Why should I be paying towards public education when I don't have any kids? And why should my money be going towards more roads when I personally believe we would all be better off riding bicycles?

    I didn't know you were pro-choice!
     
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  19. Mia

    Mia R.I.P. STEVE JOBS

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    #39
    I'd quote you, but DP/VB is f'd up again...

    As to your support of education. Think of it as an investment. You pay into a system (via property taxes btw, not income) that supports a public school system that educates people that eventually enter the work force and pay taxes. The taxes they pay support your arse when you are old and gray by the way.


    As to your other statement concerning abortion? No, I don't support murder. I'm not in support of true democracy. I believe you do need some order. Some laws. Our form of government still contains laws. Last I checked, killing another human being when not in self defense is generally not something that is looked up favorably.

    Become a parent some day young man, and you too will realize there is no such thing as a "choice" when it comes to the life of your child. The only time you'd see me commit a violent enough act such as murder would be in defense of my child.

    ;)
     
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  20. tarponkeith

    tarponkeith Well-Known Member

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    #40
    So despite your quote:
    You're actually fine with our government spending our money and making our choices for us, as long as they're choices that you agree with...?

     
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