Getting a PR without bakclinks?

Discussion in 'Search Engine Optimization' started by MasterKool, Jan 19, 2009.

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PR without backlinks?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  1. Aaron111

    Aaron111 Well-Known Member

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    #21
    bring the pr topic into the light pr is nothing," branding and content rules! - bruce clay top seo on page rank is dead Bruce Clay - proclaims Google famous pr ranking has zero relevance on targeted traffic into your nich market - more on page rank is dead

    The objective of search engine optimization (SEO) is to increase a Web site’s traffic counts, and ultimately conversions, by ranking very high in the results of searches for the keywords in the search query, “not for page rank”

    Bruce Clay webpro news interview on PR worthless
     
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  2. epicso

    epicso Banned

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    #22
    PR is the single most important factor on any website rofl...You people who say otherwise dont know much about SEO.

    If you have high PR - This means you are doing things you right. You are making good content, you are getting good backlinks, your site is getting more traffic.

    Sure "PR" itself isnt what makes you rank - but it does show you are doing SEO properly in many cases.

    Anytime a site is ranking good and it PR0, check back on next PR update from google and I will guarantee you they have gone up.

    High PR goes hand and hand with good SEO....sure you dont need it...but I want to see a PR7 ranking lower than a PR0 for any competitive keyword.
     
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  3. Xp10r3r

    Xp10r3r Active Member

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    #23
    Google Pagerank for: mirbmw.ru/ 1/10
    Google Pagerank for: www.mirbmw.ru/ 1/10

    Search result from Google for: mirbmw.ru/
    Site Title: Welcome ! Site mirbmw.ru just created. Real content coming soon
    Url: http://www.mirbmw.ru/
    Pagerank is valid!
    Search result from Google for: www.mirbmw.ru/
    Site Title: Welcome ! Site mirbmw.ru just created. Real content coming soon
    Url: http://www.mirbmw.ru/
    Pagerank is valid!
    Link popularity for www.mirbmw.ru/
    Google Yahoo! AllTheWeb Total
    0 50 52 102
    DMOZ.org listed? - not listed.
    Google Directory listed? - not listed.
    Yahoo! Directory listed? - not listed.
    Domain age? no data
    Domain value? $1,760
    Domain history? - yes (3 results)


    PR1 without google backlinks and content, so it's possible =)
     
    Xp10r3r, Jan 20, 2009 IP
  4. Chuckun

    Chuckun Well-Known Member

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    #24
    I got my first website to PR3 without knowing what I was doing, no backlinks, nothing.. Just a few users, a load of content, a few SEO tweaks (which were limited, 'cause I wasnt very experienced, and I've always done everything myself, due to lack of funding at first.. then just got stuck in the habit).

    All I did to get PR3 was submit to google, and make some SEO tweaks... (just mod_rewrite, etc.. friendly urls)
     
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  5. Lessman

    Lessman Peon

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    #25
    Yes. All pages start with some innate PR, and you could probably silo pages to give a particular page slightly better PR. Havent tried it though. That said, PR is built from links, so to have good PR you need backlinks. Thats all there is to it.

    Of course lots of backlinks are freely given if you have good content.
     
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  6. thuankkk

    thuankkk Active Member

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    #26
    Yes, you can.

    After pages were indexed, they will have its own pagerank, and since they had link to the home page, so the home page (domain name) will have pr.

    But it looks strange if you have good and unique contents but nobody link to it :D
     
    thuankkk, Jan 20, 2009 IP
  7. godzhesas

    godzhesas Peon

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    #27
    Yes you can, page rank is not only about backlinks, there are literally hundreds of small factors that influence it to mention like the domain age, the sites you are linking at, content, internal linking structure etc.
     
    godzhesas, Jan 21, 2009 IP
  8. Aquapearl

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    #28
    yes it is i have one site with no backlinks with pr3 and one of my site have 55 back links but havn't any pr ...
     
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  9. Aaron111

    Aaron111 Well-Known Member

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    page rank is not the issue if traffic is necessary to come in to your website................ive seen pr 0 website with over 10,000 hits a day.................ask Bruce Clay..............
     
    Aaron111, Jan 21, 2009 IP
  10. draligus

    draligus Well-Known Member

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    #30
    it is impossible to get PR without backlinks
     
    draligus, Jan 21, 2009 IP
  11. seodetectors07

    seodetectors07 Notable Member

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    #31
    yes its possible .................
     
    seodetectors07, Jan 21, 2009 IP
  12. LeftoverSoup

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    #32
    Yes, this is possible. But obviously with page rank they both play a part.
     
    LeftoverSoup, Jan 21, 2009 IP
  13. magda

    magda Notable Member

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    #33
    From the original patent - http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-...6,285,999.PN.&OS=PN/6,285,999&RS=PN/6,285,999
    ". A computer implemented method of scoring a plurality of linked documents, comprising:

    obtaining a plurality of documents, at least some of the documents being linked documents, at least some of the documents being linking documents, and at least some of the documents being both linked documents and linking documents, each of the linked documents being pointed to by a link in one or more of the linking documents;

    assigning a score to each of the linked documents based on scores of the one or more linking documents and

    processing the linked documents according to their scores."

    Linking seems to be the theme, pretty much.

    (having said that, there is in the patent, an allowance for randomness, which in practice seems to mean that a site can get PageRank of 1 or 2 without backlinks. Any more than that, not likely)
     
    magda, Jan 21, 2009 IP
  14. Reseg

    Reseg Peon

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    #34
    I see backlinks to your site, couple of examples:
    http://www.alexa.com/search?q=mirbmw.ru
    http://www.catalog.gtnn.ru/search.php?q=mirbmw.ru

    To the OP, no, I've never seen a website have PR without a single link pointed to it unless it's:

    1) Fake, using forwards, redirects, and file sharing with another URL on the same server
    2) old PR from a site that links were removed but toolbar hasn't updated yet.

    There's a multiple page thread with tons of people saying yes you can that I asked for examples. Every example given was shown to have backlinks. You would think with all the people that say yes it would be very common and easy to produce a legit example.
     
    Reseg, Jan 21, 2009 IP
  15. svetomir

    svetomir Peon

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    #35
    I had a site with PR4 with no backlinks at all. That was 2 years ago. Site was very trim and slim with content ( 2 or 3 pages of very few words) no styling and it had no links to other sites.
    Now I've got a site with a lot of unique content and some backlinks, it seems to me do more I try the harder it is to get good PR. I am only PR3 after all my hard work and some mistakes.
     
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  16. Aaron111

    Aaron111 Well-Known Member

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    #36
    I think this is about not getting targeted traffic ...because they feel that they need more back links in order to get traffic.... so thats where you blog daily fresh content better................back link aren't necessary to get traffic...
    lok for analytic s program and use that to generate the most popular pages on your site and link to them like this site here KauaiMassages.com they have many indexs on the page and good content too...
     
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  17. epicso

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    #37
    EPICTHEMES.COM

    I launched this months ago and did NOTHING else. Its PR2.
     
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  18. Reseg

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  19. trosquin

    trosquin Active Member

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    #39
    from wiki
    PageRank of a page is defined recursively and depends on the number and PageRank metric of all pages that link to it ("incoming links"). A page that is linked to by many pages with high PageRank receives a high rank itself. If there are no links to a web page there is no support for that page.

    So Page Rank comes from backlinks...or votes from other sites.

    But who really cares about pagerank....not me!
     
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  20. Aaron111

    Aaron111 Well-Known Member

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    #40
    pr topics are really about the norm traffic, hits and conversions........blog as I advised
     
    Aaron111, Jan 22, 2009 IP