Why we need UN? UN no more power in GAZA crisis?

of course there is a great interest for the illegal state of Israel to throw blames everywhere, since before Hamas been established, while Hamas is the symptom, occupation is the cause,

so if the illegal state of Israel was really interested in peace, they would not start wars in 1948, 1967, and others to grab more lands,

Hamas been established in 1987, with Israel help and blessings, so there would be another power to fight Fatah, but they forgot that both Fatah and Hamas are Palestinians who have the same interest which is to fight occupation, even if they have different ways,

occupation, and UN laws that Israel never implemented, since before Hamas or Fatah been established, is why there is no peace till now in the middle east, despite that Palestinians accepted that Israel keep what they stole in 1948 so there would be peace, Israel did not want peace because peace means they end their occupation for West Bank and Gaza, and they did every effort to avoid peace, and stay in war with their neighbors, and even encourage others to enter wars which will only benefit them,

nobody asks now why they did lavon affair in which Israel bombed American and British civilian targets in Egypt to push US to enter war against Egypt, when they been caught they denied it of course as usual, but later when the truth came out they admitted it,

if it ended on this, then good, but again they bombed a US military ship in 1967, hoping that US would believe their false story that the Egyptians did it, but luckily the ship did not sink, and the survivors knew who was bombing them despite they used unmarked jets in the attack,

and even after that it did not end, and it will not end as long as Israel exist as an aggression and terrorist power who thinks they are above all human beings, and above all laws.

 

Alright this is now the point where I stop listening to you anymore. I actually thought you had a point somewhere and wanted to look up some sources, but this bullshit is seriously over the top.

 

refute if you can

1948 war:

1967 war:

do you really believe that the terrorists above who provoked wars to occupy West Bank and Gaza and who admits it above, would be interested in peace? and in a withdrawal from West Bank and Gaza?

 

The UN is a useless, collectivistic agency that really doesnt DO anything.

Go DEMOCRACY.

DOWN with Collectivism.

 

Imad's posts are very informational. You should read them at least.

 

Yeah, very informal. He's taking quotes out of context and makes it look like the Israeli government actually says they're terrorists. Come on.

 

These tactics in which you say lie without refuting it, or propaganda without debunking it, or antisemitism without a reason, or out of context without putting it in context, may work for a while with some, the following saying by Abraham Lincoln applies on it:

"You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time."

 

I love the fact that you're trying to quote very popular and smart leaders to make it look like your claims are correct. You're still using those old quotes taken out of context to make it look like "the evil secret has come out".

If you really want to make your claims sound correct then include the full source of that quote, including when he said it, why he said it etc etc. (Let me guess, it's going to be a site based on some "free palestine" domain filled with tons of stuff about Israel and how it's evil)

 

you still did not put them in context, we are not guessing here, when you said they are out of context it means you know the context, so what is stopping you from putting them in that context?

 

this is why



what will happen if a mouse cornered? they will jumped and bite you.

the palestine also cornered and trapped. they have no where to go.

they lost their land, they lost their wive, they lost their children, they lost everything.

what will you do when you lost everything?

 

You have got to be joking. Look at a world map and see how much land the Muslims have.

 

You must some of the people that you can fool all the time.

 

what muslims land got to with it???

muslims are not the one who take the palestine land by force, israel did.
some people like to put the blame everything on muslim.

and fyi that not all palestinians are muslim.

 

Israel is trying to create fear against Muslims and trying to make Christians in the world attack Muslims and vice versa , some people may not aware of this harmful propaganda so be careful of the dangerous minds out there

What "unlockediphonesite.com" saying is Arabs have other lands so they should shut up and give their land to Israel , if arab refused then Israel will take it by force and kill every arab human on lands they occupy like she did in 1967 when they attack Jordan, Egypt , Syria and Remaining lands in Palestine , they start every year with a new war and killing and then say WE REALLY WANT PEACE and then start killing again and again , who are you fooling with your racist logic

 

this is very true, specially the part when they say "we want peace", of course they want peace there is no doubt about this, even Hitler wanted peace, but what does peace mean for them? Do they want to end occupation for West Bank and Gaza? if yes what is their plan for this? and how it can be implemented when they continue building settlements without stop even when peace negotiations were taking place?

 

That's a lovely way of avoiding giving the full context.

Let me explain this simply so you'll understand:

I post this:

Then you say 'it's either out of context or false, give the full details'

and I repeat 'oh so you know the context!!! no you prove it or it's true!!!'

Does that make sense to you?

I love the fact that you're now using your propaganda crap to compare Hitler with Israel. Don't forget that Hamas are the ones who started a civil war and killed thousands of people in 2007 when their prime minister was fired by their president Mahmud Abbas.

 

1. Palestine is a land; Islam is a religion
2. Not all Palestinians are Muslims.

 

here it is again for you:

Glottis said:

you replied:

I asked you to put them in context since you claimed they are out of context, to support your claims with a proof, which you did not do so far, does that mean you agree that Israel has actually started 1948 and 1967 wars?

 

Muslims like Osama, and groups like Hamas, and Hezbollah, and in Darfour, and in Mumbai do a pretty damn good job of making people fear Muslims just fine on their own. Those groups, to the extent they represent Islam, are what help shapes the world opinion. See the problem for Muslims, is that Jews and Israel are just one of their many targets. So while China and Russia are not normally allied with Israel, they too have had to fight Muslim extremists and realize who is really a threat to their countries. How do you explain Muslim behavior all over the world - you can't blame it all on occupation and Jews. It is shame that some Muslims want to attack other people in the name of their religion - but the civilization is far too advanced to put up with that type of bullshit.

 

while terrorism is horrible and should be fought, everywhere whether it is committed by Muslims or others, we should not turn a blind eye on the Israeli terrorism, and should not try to mix groups that fight for their freedom, with terrorists like the ones in Israel,

Israeli terrorism, has a different shape, not only their leaders admitted it and found nothing immoral in using it as means of war, it takes the shape of provoking wars, and starting wars which is the most highest kind of terrorism,

take for example lavon affair, when Israel bombed American and British targets in Egypt, and left some evidences that will point to Arabs, but luckily one of the bombs detonated prematurely, allowing the Egyptians to capture and identify one of the bombers, what did Israel said when they first been caught?

obviously they denied it, not only the act itself is terrorism against those who are supposed to be their allies, and where innocents got killed, it is also meant by it to start a war, where so many others would die, imagine if they succeeded in this evil act? what might have happened? and do we guarantee that they did not succeed in other similar acts?

later of course and after the trial progressed, the terrorists in Israel after been faced with clear evidence, admitted it, and the Israeli's Defense Minister Pinhas Lavon was brought down.

but was this the only act that been caught?

of course not, there was another terrorist act where they used modern weapons to provoke wars, where they bombed a US ship with unmarked jets, so they would throw the blame later on Arabs, google both lavon affair and US liberty ship

and did it stop here? with an ideology that think that all non-jews are subhumans, and that it's ok to shed their blood if it will bring benefits to Israel they did another very dirty job, this time in Libya,

Naeim Giladi a Jew from Iraq, who moved to Israel and lived there, said:

and he explains there how the Zionists repeated lavon affair in Iraq, this is in addition to Qibya massacre which I posted about it recently on these forums, and quoted the Israeli radio when they denied that the army did it, but later they admitted it after they been also faced by clear evidence, there are many others, like shooting down the Libyan civilian airplane..

this is terrorism, and even worse than terrorism, with such history, of terrorism, and war provoking, Israel can't speak about terrorism elsewhere and try to use it to justify it's acts, and mix and blind people about the fact, that Israel is an enemy for peace, not only peace in Palestine, but world peace, Zionism for sure is terrorism, and it is worse than Nazism, their history of collaborating with Nazi's say that they can sacrifice some Jews to gain benefits, else they would have done something to help them, but they in the contrary, prevented help to reach them, so they later can use them to justify their crimes against human race.

of course you can cry propaganda or lies or whatever tactic you like, the info here are documented, and have been proven.